Split-rim wheels vs Budd wheels

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Feb 24, 2010 | 10:51 AM

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truckdog62563

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Here's the thread from the Stovebolt site where one of the guys found a set for his Chevy. It's got another F-7/8 wheel pictured too. Good reading. Stu

Budd to Dayton wheel adapters - The Stovebolt Forums

May 11, 2011 | 10:11 AM

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Busguy71

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Anyone know where you can buy the tools to dismount/mount tires on the three piece 20' Ford wheels? Google isnt helping, I have a good set of tires to put on my F8 but just need the tools to put them on!

May 11, 2011 | 11:00 AM

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rb48f6

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I looked on EBay - where I got the Ken Tool "pork chops". As for tire irons I did a search for Ken Tool tire irons and found a place with in easy drive and picked them up in person. Here's a link to the Ken Tool site, once you have a part number it helps narrow search results: Ken Tool - A Leader in Automotive Aftermarket Tire Repair Tools

Bought mine from here, Meyer location Livonia MI:
Tire Tools, Supplies and Changers from Myers Tire Supply

And here are a couple other sites:
Annco: http://www.annco.com/products/pro_1....e=Tire Service

Esco:
Equipment Supply Company

All Tire Supply:
Ken-Tool 37" Heavy Duty Tire Lock Ring Tool (T48A): All Tire Supply Company

And not enough CAUTION can be stressed in handling the multi-piece tires / wheels. There are a number of articles posted by Truck Dog and others as well as me on this site on precautions. Have you found and read them? In one post we pasted a link to the OSHA site that walked you through the process with pics. When filling - AIR SLOWLY something like 5# increments with wheels in a cage or well chained to keep pcs together in several spots.

Hope this helps

May 11, 2011 | 11:17 AM

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truckdog62563

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Here's the OSHA sites again, just because. Stu

http://www.tireindustry.org/pdf/osha_Demount-Mount.pdf
http://www.tireindustry.org/pdf/osha_Rim%20Matching.pdf

May 11, 2011 | 11:20 AM

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rb48f6

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Busguy / and all multi-piece rim owners~
Here are links to .pdf files on the OSHA literature on wheel demount / mount and rim matching:
Demount / Mount:\
http://www.tireindustry.org/pdf/osha_Demount-Mount.pdf

Rim Matching:
http://www.tireindustry.org/pdf/osha_Rim%20Matching.pdf

May 11, 2011 | 11:23 AM

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rb48f6

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Ahh I see you beat me to it Stu. I originally posted without and thought better of it and went and found the links to add in too.

Now out to cut the grass before the next deluge comes through....

May 19, 2011 | 11:05 PM

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OldBlueOvalDude

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The Dayton style wheel/hub system is more desireable for heavy haul and off road heavy hauling, such as forestry or construction applications. Budd's tend to crack from hole to hole in such applications. One thing nobody mentioned about the Budd's- the inner and outer nut on the rear duals can be a major P.I.T.A. It is not unusual for the inner nut to spin off with the outer during removal, and then the hotwrench is usually the only way to seperate them. I.M.H.O.,the modern hub piloted Budd type wheels with single nuts are the only way to go, but whether the appropriate hub is available for these older trucks may be another matter.

Last edited by OldBlueOvalDude; May 19, 2011 at 11:07 PM. Reason: spelling

May 20, 2011 | 05:24 AM

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truckdog62563

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As I've read, back in the day there apparently was a west coast bias toward Dayton style wheels and an east coast bias toward disc style (Budd, K-H, Motor Wheel, Firestone/Accuride). Perhaps one reason was your comment about load capacity of Daytons. No doubt the loads limits out west back then were much higher than in the east.

The hub piloted system has been in use, with essentially no change, since the 1930s. Motor Wheel Corporation pioneered the system which was used predominantly by GM and, by extension, REO. The limiting factors today are, like you said, the lack of alternatives for obsolete bolt patterns. More commonly today, it seems we see guys with Studebakers, GMCs, and '60s era medium duty Fords who have to convert their hub piloted trucks to stud piloted mountings to eliminate their widow maker style wheels. Stu