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Old Feb 10, 2010 | 11:51 AM
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Rear End! Please Help.

Ok these are the specs on my truck it is a 1979 Ford F-150 4x4 step side with a 460 engine that all I know for now. Ok the question is I need a new rear end and I am not sure how to match them up or figure out what I need to look for any information would be helpful thanks.
 
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Old Feb 10, 2010 | 11:58 AM
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Unless someone switched it out you should have a 9 inch rear end.
 
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Old Feb 10, 2010 | 11:58 AM
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Your rear axle is Ford 9 inch. What's wrong with the current axle? What gear ratio? Depending on what's wrong with it, you could use an axle from something other than a 79 F-150.
 
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Old Feb 10, 2010 | 12:24 PM
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I am not sure of the gear ratio of the axle. It does not have a tag so I understand you have to count the teeth and find out the gear ratio. The current one has locked up not sure what is wrong with it. Also the truck has like a 6 inch lift kit is there a part i need to get to cause this from happening again?
 
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Old Feb 10, 2010 | 12:30 PM
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The ratio should be stamped on the ring gear. There are many reasons it could have locked up, most likely a lack of maintenance.
 
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Old Feb 10, 2010 | 12:38 PM
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Yeah I do believe that is why it has done so. Just got the truck not to long ago and I am trying to fix all the problems. What exaclty should I look for on the ring gear? Thanks ya'll for the help.
 
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Old Feb 10, 2010 | 12:40 PM
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So have you taken any of it apart yet? in order to count teeth or read the ring gear information the axles need to come out and pull the third member.

If you only need the Ratio in order to find another complete axle then jack up the front end ( bc the rear is locked) and rotate the tires to count drive shaft revolutions. Probably will get either 3 -1/2 rotations for a 3.55:1 gear or just a bit over 4 full revolutions for 4.11:1.
 
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Old Feb 10, 2010 | 12:41 PM
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The current one has locked up not sure what is wrong with it......is there a part i need to get to cause this from happening again?
Yes, the part is known as GEAR OIL

On a serious note...you can swap the center section from any 31 spline axle with the correct gear ratio. If everything is still original, VIN tag will tell you the ratio. Otherwise, you gonna have to pull diff to check.
 
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Old Feb 10, 2010 | 12:48 PM
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If you only need the Ratio in order to find another complete axle then jack up the front end ( bc the rear is locked) and rotate the tires to count drive shaft revolutions.
The correct procedure is to jack up only ONE tire and multiply driveshaft revolutions by 2. OR, since we are talking about a front axle, lock the passenger hub and unlock the driver hub. Rotate driveshaft by hand and watch the universal joint inside the steering kunckle. Count how many times you must rotate the driveshaft for the axleshaft to make one revolution, then multiply it by 2.
 
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Old Feb 10, 2010 | 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by HillbillyDeluxe81
The correct procedure is to jack up only ONE tire and multiply driveshaft revolutions by 2. OR, since we are talking about a front axle, lock the passenger hub and unlock the driver hub. Rotate driveshaft by hand and watch the universal joint inside the steering kunckle. Count how many times you must rotate the driveshaft for the axleshaft to make one revolution, then multiply it by 2.

why does it have to be multiplied by 2 and why can only one wheel be lifted, I figured mine out by lifting both wheels rotated the rear driveshaft and counted the number of times it turned 3.5 ish
 
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Old Feb 10, 2010 | 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by HillbillyDeluxe81
Yes, the part is known as GEAR OIL

On a serious note...you can swap the center section from any 31 spline axle with the correct gear ratio. If everything is still original, VIN tag will tell you the ratio. Otherwise, you gonna have to pull diff to check.
Agree on the only changing out the center section would be a lot easier than dealling with the Ubolts, Brakes, hose, Shocks.

Again the front axle will have the same Ratio. Maybe there's a tag in it.
 
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Old Feb 10, 2010 | 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by fordtech08
why does it have to be multiplied by 2 and why can only one wheel be lifted, I figured mine out by lifting both wheels rotated the rear driveshaft and counted the number of times it turned 3.5 ish
i believe you can do it either way. The point to make here is if you do both tires then make sure they turn evenly. Meaning the differential spider gears are not turning one tire more than the other. To avoid that problem he's saying stop one tire completely so you can only pay attention to the one tire that is turning. But by doing that, the spider gears double the rotations on the tire, So you have to multiply your drive shaft count by 2. Or let the one tire go around twice.
 
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Old Feb 10, 2010 | 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Drac
i believe you can do it either way. The point to make here is if you do both tires then make sure they turn evenly. Meaning the differential spider gears are not turning one tire more than the other. To avoid that problem he's saying stop one tire completely so you can only pay attention to the one tire that is turning. But by doing that, the spider gears double the rotations on the tire, So you have to multiply your drive shaft count by 2. Or let the one tire go around twice.
thanks that's what I was thinking but I wasn't sure
 
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Old Feb 10, 2010 | 06:34 PM
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why does it have to be multiplied by 2 and why can only one wheel be lifted, I figured mine out by lifting both wheels rotated the rear driveshaft and counted the number of times it turned 3.5 ish
On a rear axle, with a limited slip or locker, you are doing it the correct way. However, with an open differential, it's nearly impossible to get both tires to rotate equally. And since we're talking about a FRONT axle......it's a sure bet that it's open.

So, in a nutshell...

Limited slip or locker: lift both wheels
Open diff: lift one wheel.....multiply by 2.

As for WHY you multiply by 2, Drac has a pretty good explanation.
 
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Old Feb 10, 2010 | 06:50 PM
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I guess I've never played with them to notice the 2 to 1 ratio on the spider gears,
 
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