Well we got rid of all those nasty manufacturing plants that were polluting the air.
And that appears to have worked well in our behalf.

So next we get rid of the cattle feed lots, electricity, fuel, farmers, loggers, coal miners and power stations.
And we can most likely get rid of all those nasty dirty trucks.

Probably be good for us just like it was getting rid of the manufacturing.

When is someone going to realize that the real problem is over population?

But then if there is no energy, no warm place to live, no warm clothes and nothing to eat, I guess over population will be taken care of by a more drastic method.

 

And the sad fact is there are groups spending lots of money trying to get rid of everything you mentioned plus.

 

Well we are in the middle of an very intense hail storm right now.
With buckets of rain.

Not to mention the wind is howling.

 

Still warm here but suppose to cool down tommorow.

 

where do you live dave?

 

The funny thing is that global warming has never been conclusively proven to be solely the responsability of manmade co2(unless you believe everything al gore says). Unfortunately any science that contradicts what the current administration believes loses its funding immediately and is disregarded. What about increased sun spot activity and the changing of the earths orbit which has been well documented to be currently happening??? This is ultimately what led to the earths many other warming and cooling cycles yet it seems to get completely disregarded. The earth is warming, no doubt about it, we have plenty of surface temp data to prove it. But the real question is, IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT? My guess is no, just as the dinosaurs couldnt stop the last ice age, or the wooly mammoth and sabre tooth tiger couldnt stop the last warming cycle. Messing with nature more often than not just leads to disaster. Its not like we can move the earth off its orbit to be farther away from the sun. But hey, its a great excuse to push the socialist agenda through office under the guise of everyones supposed well being. Just like we need to take away EVERYONE'S guns in order to protect the rights of an EXTREME FEW. Give a little and gain alot, ya right, more like give everything and be left with more taxes. SOCIALISM, need I say more?????? Sorry for the rant, but this world's current way of thinking bewilders me.

 

Funny, but when I was in grade school they were worried about another little ice age because the earth's temperature had been cooling for so long.

Scientists that have no affiliation with an agenda have said the earth is going through it's natural warming and cooling cycles, as it has done for (insert long time here)

I said since the beginning of the Global Climate Change, that it's bull, just like the hole in the ozone. There's a reason the hole in the ozone expands and contracts at the times of year that it does. I'm all for a cleaner environment, no chemicals in my water or food, and doing things that are good for the earth and the people. Thing is we need to focus on the problems them selves, NOT who can get rich by inventing or enlarging problem areas. Science is not exact in it's self, let alone when science is motivated by big dollar signs.

 

"Its not like we can move the earth off its orbit to be farther away from the sun."

Half a dozen idi's should do it. Or perhaps just Dave s.

 

right you are lennon, this has happened many times in the past when we were not here. It will happen again with us or without us.

 

I am in West Virginia, about two hours south of Pittsburg Pa.

Bottom line, has man infulenced the enviroment?
Yes

Can what man has done be reversed?
No

Can mans impact on the enviroment be slowed or lowered?
Yes

Can mans impact be stopped?
No

Let's just go way out on a limb for a second.
Go out to your truck and add a one once weight to your wheel somewhere.
Now go out and drive down the road at 70 miles an hour.
That tire will vibrate like crazy.

Next watch ice skaters when they spin.
Pull arms in, the spin speeds up.
Push arms out, spin slows down.

Now stop and think for a couple minutes.
How much weight has man moved to different locations on the planet from where it was originally?
How much weight has nature moved to different locations over the last 200 years?
Mining, moving minerals, building cities is just a start of that list.
And remember, man did influence what nature moved with cutting trees, paving ground, moving dirt and plowing ground for a start of a list of ways man altered what nature is doing.

Wonder how much we have altered the weight distribution of the planet?
Wonder how much affect that has on how it spins or orbits?

There is no going back to what was here originally, no matter how hard we try.
So it will come down to can we adapt, or if not we will follow the dinosaurs.

What man is doing to the planet, what is going into the air is only a very tiny part of mans total impact on earth.

 

Remember Mt saint helens 2000 feet blew of the whole top of that mountain in 1 second.
It was claimed the ash blown into yhe air was more that man could do in 200 years.
The columbia river (freaking huge) was formed in less than 24 hours when the ice dam broke in canada.
This is JUST 2 instances of major instances of natural changes, how many have there have there been in the last few thousand years.

 

I remember, I was in Wanatchee Washington.

When I got back to Denver, there was a layer ash on our cars.

I can't believe that was more than man can do in 200 years.
Maybe in just what he excavates, but if you think about all the mining I don't think so.

I think the top of St. Helen's would fit in that copper mine in Utah.

http://www.utah.com/attractions/kennecott.htm

Then add,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anacond...r_Mine_(Nevada)
Then add this,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Pit
Then add this,
http://chile-travel.suite101.com/art...st_copper_mine

And that is only 4 copper mines.

Here is a search of open pit mines in general.
Check out some of what man had done in the last 100 years, most of it in the last 50.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-pit_mining

St. Hellens is a big mountain.
But if you add all of the holes up in those links, we can hide it all two or three times over.
I am not talking what blew off, I mean the whole mountain.

Doing a search the best estimate I see is 1 cubic mile of material blown away.
That is not really that much dirt.
5,451,776,000 yards.

 

Ooo....a political thread, nice break but just as greasy LOL. The globalists want the masses brought back down to medieval peasant standards. The CFR stated publicly three ? years ago; America has too much, it must be brought down to be more on par with the rest of the world [third?]. Energy pricing was one means of achieving that. The globalists front man for global warming, er now climate change is Al Gore. His "house" uses 20X the elec. as the average residence. It costs $500/mo just heat his pool. This new enemy, carbon [CO2] is necessary for plants to convert to oxygen. No, this all about justifying, and making the people accept, the lowering of the standard of living. From the proposed use of satellites to monitor miles driven and taxed accordingly to residental thermostats being monitored and controlled remotely, the ones that call for sacrifice are never the one's that sacrifice. That felt good...

 

That's at least one thing we can all agree on!

 

Great, fantastic, excellent point Dave! Sure isn't alot of people who think of it that way, makes so much more sense and much more real than what most people say, about co2 causing all of this.