351W Block Identification
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5th Wheeling
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351W Block Identification
Hello,
Crawled under my new 1964 Ford F100 Double Door 4x4 to find the block number to identify what year of 351W is in it. This engine is missing the distributor and starter, has a truck 4 speed connected to it. Have no history of this truck, other than it was used by the railroad and came from Arizona.
The block ID number is EA4E-6015-FA17.
Next to that number is 5F17.
This engine has a double sump with the deep sump at the rear.
The dip stick tube is in the block on the left side.
Any help would be great.
Crawled under my new 1964 Ford F100 Double Door 4x4 to find the block number to identify what year of 351W is in it. This engine is missing the distributor and starter, has a truck 4 speed connected to it. Have no history of this truck, other than it was used by the railroad and came from Arizona.
The block ID number is EA4E-6015-FA17.
Next to that number is 5F17.
This engine has a double sump with the deep sump at the rear.
The dip stick tube is in the block on the left side.
Any help would be great.
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The casting number doesn't say much about the engine family unfortunately, but it does says your block was cast with a mold produced in 1984. You have to use visual clues to differentiate between the families, thermostat housing location and orientation and the shape of the heads are the most obvious things different betweent he 351M and 351w for example.
Cargo Master
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Well you've got a couple digits in the casting number transposed,
EA4E-6015-FA
should read
E4AE-6015-FA,
which is for a mid '80s 351W engine. I have one in the basement from a Crown Victoria.
The intake manifold casting number also has a wrong digit.
C90E-9425-3 should read C90E-9425-E.
This was used on 1969-70 351-4V engines.
So the engine contains parts from at least two engines, and is not original to the truck, since the 351W only came out in 1969.
EA4E-6015-FA
should read
E4AE-6015-FA,
which is for a mid '80s 351W engine. I have one in the basement from a Crown Victoria.
The intake manifold casting number also has a wrong digit.
C90E-9425-3 should read C90E-9425-E.
This was used on 1969-70 351-4V engines.
So the engine contains parts from at least two engines, and is not original to the truck, since the 351W only came out in 1969.
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5th Wheeling
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Thanks for the info.
Thought i had the numbers right, But more than likely as i wrote them down i crossed the letters.
I knew it was not the original engine in it, I have 3 y blocks, and the truck still has the front y block mount on the frame. Just wanted to identify this engine since the parts did not match each other. Now i have a better idea of what to look for in getting a distributor that fits.
Thought i had the numbers right, But more than likely as i wrote them down i crossed the letters.
I knew it was not the original engine in it, I have 3 y blocks, and the truck still has the front y block mount on the frame. Just wanted to identify this engine since the parts did not match each other. Now i have a better idea of what to look for in getting a distributor that fits.
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The casting number doesn't say much about the engine family unfortunately, but it does says your block was cast with a mold produced in 1984. You have to use visual clues to differentiate between the families, thermostat housing location and orientation and the shape of the heads are the most obvious things different betweent he 351M and 351w for example.
No 351M's (or 400's) after 1982.
5F17 = June (F) 17, 1985 (5).
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Beanscoot: It's C9OE, not C90E.
The 351W was introduced in 1969 Passenger Cars. Econoline's got it beginning in 1975.
351W's were first factory installed in F150/350's and Bronco's in 1981.
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Beanscoot: It's C9OE, not C90E.
Good point, I am guilty of copying and pasting without checking. I just changed the 3 to an E.
That's why Ford didn't use O or I in date codes.
Good point, I am guilty of copying and pasting without checking. I just changed the 3 to an E.
That's why Ford didn't use O or I in date codes.
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Does the bed look like it might have had angle iron bolted in
the back, up over the wheel wells, to haul a "motorcar"? :)
What color -was- it? :)
...orange = SP
Don't know what color Santa Fe's trucks were in '64. :/
Alvin in AZ (retired dumb railroader)
the back, up over the wheel wells, to haul a "motorcar"? :)
What color -was- it? :)
...orange = SP
Don't know what color Santa Fe's trucks were in '64. :/
Alvin in AZ (retired dumb railroader)
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5th Wheeling
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With an E4AE casting number, it's not a 351M.
No 351M's (or 400's) after 1982.
5F17 = June (F) 17, 1985 (5).
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Beanscoot: It's C9OE, not C90E.
The 351W was introduced in 1969 Passenger Cars. Econoline's got it beginning in 1975.
351W's were first factory installed in F150/350's and Bronco's in 1981.
No 351M's (or 400's) after 1982.
5F17 = June (F) 17, 1985 (5).
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Beanscoot: It's C9OE, not C90E.
The 351W was introduced in 1969 Passenger Cars. Econoline's got it beginning in 1975.
351W's were first factory installed in F150/350's and Bronco's in 1981.
Thanks for the breakdown of the 5F17, you are a wealth of knowledge and greatly thankful.
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No Duraspark module. Just the wiring harness to the coil and a small distributor cap. Thanks for your question.
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So you need to get a 1969-73 (I think Ford went to electronic ignition for the 1974 model year) distributor.
I'm not sure about the starter motor, except that typically Ford starter motors for small blocks are different between automatic and standard transmission. The pinion gear on the starter projects further on automatic transmission usage.
I'm not sure about the starter motor, except that typically Ford starter motors for small blocks are different between automatic and standard transmission. The pinion gear on the starter projects further on automatic transmission usage.
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Hmm...
If it ain't beat to hell in the bed then it might have been a train crew hauler?
My company trucks were Gelco lease and if it was a Chevy they'd change it
out in 2 to 2+1/2 years (65,000 miles). And yeah it was plumb wore out. LOL :)
They had utility beds on them with the side bins etc.
Gelco wouldn't replace a Ford until it had 110,000 miles on it.
Gelco know-ed something about Fords you suppose? ;)
That's why I bought a Ford and always asked for a Chevy at work. ;)
That extra year to a year and a half to wear out a Ford would really takes it's
toll on the seats, door handles and stuff.
Alvin in AZ
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351W M/T starter: E4TZ11002A replaced: E1TZ11002A, D7TZ11002A, D4TZ11002A, C5TZ11002D.
Fits: ALL 240/300 I-6 // Some 289/302 = it depends on what they are installed in // All 351W.
Fits: ALL 240/300 I-6 // Some 289/302 = it depends on what they are installed in // All 351W.