Another sooty tailpipe deal.
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Another sooty tailpipe deal.
Co-worker of mine had a EGR cooler blow, puked coolant into the cylinders. Dale Jarrett Ford replaced most of the block and pistons, crank, and whatever else is required.
Now, he does not go into regen and his pipes are pitch black with about 1/16" layer of soot on the tips.
He drives a lot, just like I do. He is a bit of an idiot, had no idea until I pointed it out to him this morning. He is going to the Ford dealer in Tupelo, MS in the morning to ask questions.
I know this topic has been beaten to death. I read through a lot of previous threads and just don't find many answers. I told him he needs to get some attention because he may have injector issues (oil level normal), leaking down pipe, bad PCM programming, a hole in the DPF itself, a bad sensor somewhere that has not thrown a code yet, a bad EGR valve.
No way he'll remember any of that when he sees the dealer. I think we may just take the truck away from him as he has not figured out that you can't drive it like a golf cart (mindless ignorance).
Anybody have any suggestions? Go ahead and blast me for yet another thread on the subject.
I just wonder what an engine replacement may do to produce a failing system.
Now, he does not go into regen and his pipes are pitch black with about 1/16" layer of soot on the tips.
He drives a lot, just like I do. He is a bit of an idiot, had no idea until I pointed it out to him this morning. He is going to the Ford dealer in Tupelo, MS in the morning to ask questions.
I know this topic has been beaten to death. I read through a lot of previous threads and just don't find many answers. I told him he needs to get some attention because he may have injector issues (oil level normal), leaking down pipe, bad PCM programming, a hole in the DPF itself, a bad sensor somewhere that has not thrown a code yet, a bad EGR valve.
No way he'll remember any of that when he sees the dealer. I think we may just take the truck away from him as he has not figured out that you can't drive it like a golf cart (mindless ignorance).
Anybody have any suggestions? Go ahead and blast me for yet another thread on the subject.
I just wonder what an engine replacement may do to produce a failing system.
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He drives a lot, just like I do. He is a bit of an idiot, had no idea until I pointed it out to him this morning. He is going to the Ford dealer in Tupelo, MS in the morning to ask questions.
No way he'll remember any of that when he sees the dealer. I think we may just take the truck away from him as he has not figured out that you can't drive it like a golf cart (mindless ignorance).
No way he'll remember any of that when he sees the dealer. I think we may just take the truck away from him as he has not figured out that you can't drive it like a golf cart (mindless ignorance).
I've never understood what possesses people to treat equipment they're trusted with like that...
Which brings me to my question. If he's driving it like a golf cart, are you sure he'd notice if he went into regen? From what vloney has said before a cracked DPF should generate a code and illuminate the CEL, so it may not be that. I'd think an exhaust leak could cause something like that...
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Soot in tailpipe=cracked DPF.
It is possible for DPF to crack without throwing a code, for several very good reasons.
It is possible for DPF to crack without throwing a code, for several very good reasons.
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so, with the DPF delete, will these pass emissions testing?
looks like the used extended warranty doesn't cover emissions equipment.
Sam
looks like the used extended warranty doesn't cover emissions equipment.
Sam
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Thanks for the opinions. I am hoping that during re-assembly the exhaust manifold, down through the CAT was not re installed correctly. A leaky system may be enough to fool the air pressure sensors into thinking that there is no back pressure, hence, no regens.
I have told many folks, and I trust it myself, if there is no code thrown, it's just going to be a guessing game. If the DPF is fouled because of this I am assuming it would be covered under warranty, either from Ford or from the dealer. You know how they cover their work for something like 10,000 miles, even if it's brakes or whatever.
I have told many folks, and I trust it myself, if there is no code thrown, it's just going to be a guessing game. If the DPF is fouled because of this I am assuming it would be covered under warranty, either from Ford or from the dealer. You know how they cover their work for something like 10,000 miles, even if it's brakes or whatever.
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If you are running the truck as designed then before/after a regen your pipes should always look about the same, mine are clean maybe if you really look deep into the pipes maybe a little haze. 22K on mine.
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Here is the EPA gov site
http://www.epa.gov/oms/consumer/warr95fs.txt
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There is a reason for that, federal law requires the manufacturer to cover emissions related components for 8yrs or 80,000 miles. (for specific items which dpf would qualify) They don't have a choice even though they will try to get out of it at times.
Here is the EPA gov site
http://www.epa.gov/oms/consumer/warr95fs.txt
Here is the EPA gov site
http://www.epa.gov/oms/consumer/warr95fs.txt
Sam
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will take a picture later today
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The manual shows the DPF and other emissions equipment is warranted for 100k.
If this particular truck has more than 100k then the dealer has an obligation to fix the vehicle and back the work they performed. Of course you may need to prove that the problem didnt already exist, that the dealer caused the problem, etc.
As I walk through parking lots looking at tail pipes, I see a whole lot more black ones than clean ones. I think this is issue is more serious than realized. Its just that the average driver isnt educated on the system and thus doesnt know what to look for or isnt concerned to look for it. My neighbor drives a county truck with black pipes. I informed him of the system so he checked out the county fleet of 08-09 trucks. Out of 12 trucks only 3 had clean pipes so he brought it to the attention of the service garage. No word yet on their planned actions (if any).
If this particular truck has more than 100k then the dealer has an obligation to fix the vehicle and back the work they performed. Of course you may need to prove that the problem didnt already exist, that the dealer caused the problem, etc.
As I walk through parking lots looking at tail pipes, I see a whole lot more black ones than clean ones. I think this is issue is more serious than realized. Its just that the average driver isnt educated on the system and thus doesnt know what to look for or isnt concerned to look for it. My neighbor drives a county truck with black pipes. I informed him of the system so he checked out the county fleet of 08-09 trucks. Out of 12 trucks only 3 had clean pipes so he brought it to the attention of the service garage. No word yet on their planned actions (if any).