Hi All,

I pulled a 351C out of my 1973 Gran Torino today. Was told it was an originally a 400 car. I have a 400 too replace it with...I put the engine mounts back onto the 400 from the 351C. The fit the engine but will not sit on there right too mount too the frame. Not flat enough. Does anyone know what mounts will match up too fit this? The ones from the 400 are not wide enough for the frame. I went too try and find something from a 460 engine today but everything was closed when I got out there looking. Also, I can buy a 351M crate engine for $400...is there any differences in the 351C too the 351M for mounting it in there or is it pretty much the same block? Maybe I'll just go buy this engine and install it if it works because from what I see now I have too get a set of mounts made up and I'm not sure how easy that'll be to get done. Any replies greatly appreiciated! Have a great day!

 

You need to verify what you have there. 351C engine mounts will not bolt on to a 400 or 351M.

 

Mark is right 351C mounts will not bolt to a 400 so you don't have a C you have a 400 or a 351M.
-Johnboy

 

Really...I'll go find the number on the engine right now. I was told when I bought the car that it was a 351C in the car, which was no good and it came with a 400 to install. The mounts fit right onto the engine but will not bolt to the frame. I'll get back to you. Thanks.

 

The Cleveland uses a two bolt mount that the bolt go straight up in form the bottom the 351M/400 use a three bolt mount that is angled to match the V of the engine.
-Johnboy

 

My mount is a two bolt mount, for the 351C. The one I took off was a three bolt mount, off the 400. The two bolt mount fits across the bolt holes of the 2 lower bolts. But gives it the wrong angle too fit into the car. I guess I have to find a 3 bolt one and see if that fits. The only problem with the 400 mounts that I have are that they are not wide enough across too fit over the frame, just a mm or so too small. I guess if I order the engine mounts for a 73 Torino that had a 400 in it...they should fit right?! The engine is just sitting there inside the bay right now waiting for mounts and then she should be rolling along! Thought I'd have her out tonight! Have a good one...I have to go find some mounts I guess. I am just about too check the engine numbers too make sure they are what the guy said. The numbers I got off the engines are, 351C : D1AE 8425 DA and the 400 : D7TE 8A. If you can find them before me please post them. Thanks and have a good one!

 

There were no 351M's prior to 1975 (passenger cars) or 1977 (F100/350).

D1AE-9425 DA = D1AZ-9424-D .. 2V Intake Manifold / Fits: 1970/72 Torino/Mustang/Cougar 351C.

The D7TE 8A number is in-correct, it's prolly BA. What engine part did you get this number from?

Whatever it is, D7TE = 1977 F100/350. It could be a 351M or a 400.

1973 Torino 351C engine supports and rubber insulators are not the same as a 1973 Torino w/a 400.

Passenger car engine supports & rubber Insulators are NOT the same as trucks.

If the D7TE engine came with any sort of mounts, they are truck ONLY. They could be from a 2WD or a 4WD.

ALL these various supports and insulators are obsolete, no longer available from Ford.

Depending on whether the D7TE engine is a 351M or 400, there are other year passenger car supports/insulators that will fit besides 1973.

Measure the stroke to verify what engine this is: 351M = 3.50" // 400 = 4.00"

 

Thanks. I figured the mounts were from a truck and am looking for a set of mounts for a 400, I was told the mounts from a 351M and 400 passenger car would both fit from the dealerships. The mounts from the truck frame are only a mm too small...Canadian Tire said they could get the mounts but it'll take 4 weeks to get them and they are $139.95 a side. If I have too I guess but I'm going to check out the scrap yards this week and see if they have anything. Thanks for your advice and comments! It's all been very helpful!

 

IMO, you will save yourself some major headaches, not to mention a bunch of loonies if you replace the 351C with another.

As I said, ALL these mounts are obsolete, which means they are not available from any Ford dealership...unless one or more still has some in stock.

If Canadian Tire is getting these parts, they are prolly used and may not be correct. If you end up ordering them, MAKE SURE you can return them if they are wrong.

Torino 351C & 351M supports/insulators are not the same as Torino 400 parts.

The 351M/400 supports/insulators are only the same on 1977/79 F100/350's. These parts are different on 1980/82 F150/350's.

If the 351M/400 is from a 4WD, the 1977/79 F100/350 parts are the same as 1978/79 Bronco (1980/82 F150/350 & Bronco).

That D7TE truck engine may be a 351M, it may be a 400, you should measure the stroke to be sure of what it is.

Then there's this: 1975/78 351M engines were very prone to cracking cylinder heads. Many were replaced, some under warranty, most were customer pay.

Some of these heads were welded because ppl didn't want to spend nearly $700.00 replacing the heads if the vehicles were out of warranty which back then was 2 years, or 24,000 miles.

 

Bill do you know how to tell a pre73 cleveland from the 73-74 without the cast date? I know the block has the cobra jet code and I have the two valve heads. Just dont have quick access to look on the engine since it is not at my house. My block number is D2AE-CA. At least that is my scribble from a few months ago when I bought the donor.