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Old Aug 22, 2009 | 10:00 PM
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BIG engine in Truck!!!!!

What are the things to consider as far as safety, performance and reliability when you put a 525 hp and 660 torked stroked 460 motor in a 2wd F-150 SC? Some things already looking at are motor mounts, cooling, trans (C6) rebuilt, drive shaft universal joints, rearend ( 9") traction, braking (hydro boost, disc, calipar, wheel cylinder sizing). What other areas come to mind and some suggestions to accomplish this would be very receptive? Thanks, Tom
 
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Old Aug 22, 2009 | 10:31 PM
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Safety-

A driveshaft loop.
A heavy duty driveshaft carrier bearing.
Heavy duty axle u-bolts.

You mentioned motor mounts...don't forget the trans mount!

Reliability-

All of the above plus maybe a trans cooler and/or shift kit if you plan on pulling with it.

Performance-

A heavy foot and the resulting greatly lightened wallet.

No points on your driver's license...yet. Hey, if you're gonna put that much into building the motor up, you gotta use it!
 
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Old Aug 22, 2009 | 10:50 PM
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Bow, all are good points, thanks. Plans for the truck will be show and weekend joy. Burn those tires after the green light is given. I have been told it will be hard to control the spin of the tires with that much power but what a hell of a ride.
 
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Old Aug 22, 2009 | 11:03 PM
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In that case, you might want to look into some trac bars for it. If you're gonna be romping it, you don't want to twist your axle off the springs.
 
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Old Aug 22, 2009 | 11:36 PM
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A little ahead of you on that. Have seen some adjustable ones in the catalogs that I like. Never thought that after building that engine ( it kind of got out of hand) that all the other parts needed to be upgraded as well to keep it together. Oh well, It's only money as they say.LOL
 
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Old Aug 23, 2009 | 02:04 AM
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my 501 stroker pulls 500 hp and the only mods i had to do was use 2 turn buckles on the driver side to off set the tork this moter puts out [snapped the d/s mount twice] 1 on the bell houseing 1 on the block in front lower stock dana 60 drive line f250 2wd seems to handle it fine
 
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Old Aug 23, 2009 | 02:35 AM
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If you have that kind of money and power into the motor, your best bet would be to 4 link the rear end. This way you could adjust your weight for launches! Maybe get a sweet wheel stand!!! Also I know the 9" can take some power but I would go through it and beef it up a little. Are you going to run a spool, locker or let it slip? If it was me, I would run a true spool!
 
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Old Aug 23, 2009 | 11:29 AM
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Miottimouse- Were you running oem mounts when you broke the driver side? I am aware that may/will happen without some protection like a turn buckel. I have seen some aftermarket mounts (pretty expensive) on the net, not sure as to the correct one to go with right now. Thanks.

Mudder460- I am way away from being rich, just a big dreamer and some retirement money. I do want to run some sort of spool, again I need to educate myself and continue to ask for help on this site for advice from been there/ done that guys. Again, thanks.
 
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I opted to put a 4 bar in to help with the axle wrap. I dont have it all back together yet, but I look at the tiny z bar and wonder when I am going to have to beef that all up. I can try and get some pics of it for you, if you like.
 
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Old Aug 24, 2009 | 01:26 PM
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Is this going to be a street/strip truck or track only?
 
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Old Aug 27, 2009 | 11:46 PM
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Mainly show and street. As for the 4bar, is there a kit already set up for the f-150 or is it going to be a full custom?
 
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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 02:37 AM
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Run a good locker not the spool, you will hate all the chirping and bucking every time you try to turn.
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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 06:25 AM
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I'm with johnboy427 on the rear setup.

The one thing I see missing from your list are good quality seat belts. Maybe condsider a roll cage and 5-point harness.
 
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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 11:17 AM
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I am with johnboy and poison. My truck is about 95% track and 5% street and the full spool sucks on the street.
 
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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 11:31 AM
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4 links, roll cages, lockers???? Really? I am not seeing this as much of a requirement for the intended use of this truck.
525 horsepower with just over 600 ftlbs? Impressive but probably does not justify all of the items above.
Anybody discuss what gear ratio and tire size you plan on running? How much converter do you think this combo will require?
If you are gonna run radial tires (not drag radials) then everything above is just an add on and when the truck smokes the hides and goes nowhere, all of the roll cage in the world will be nothing but decoration.
Lets keep in mind that the production lightening made almost 400 hp and clicked off 13 second quarter mile times with a rather stock drivetrain. Nothing fancy.
Maybe not an apples to apples comparisson right? The OP claims over 500 hp, so lets run with that. There was another production truck that made this kind of power, and this was from the dodge boys. This was the SRT 10. Again, other than some small upgrades like a cheezy overload spring converted to be used as a traction bar.

Anyway, these production trucks are not any more or less designed for the exact thing that the OP is looking for, and each has a relatively stock drivetrain configuration.

If the truck will be used for racing applications, then the rules mandated by the class that it will run in will determine what the truck will require, but the truck has to perform to that level or any items will simply be money spent in vain.

Show and street use and a 12 second truck can be obtained from an almost stock platform as long as the axle hold up and the drivetrain stays together.
A 31 spline 9 inch can handle this season after season with a nice Limited slip and still drive well on the street.
With such a heavy truck and the unknown tire combo, it is unlikely that the truck will 60 foot all that well anyway, so some of the stuff mentioned is overkill.

Trans coolers, shift kit, etc, are all good recomendations for any application.
 
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