Looking for double action fuel pump for a 56 V8 WITH glass sediment bowl.

It HAS to have one. The orignals had one being as the only fuel filter in the entire system and I sent a message to concours few moments ago asking why their I6 version has the glass bowl but the V8 doesnt.

If anyone knows of a place selling the double action fuel pump for a V8 with the glass sediment bowl let me know. I am currently awaiting a reply from concours. Shall see how concours they are considering they dont offer correct reproduction parts

 

See if you can get a copy of this month's Hemmings Motor News. It shouldn't be too hard to find one in there.

 

As original: 1955/56 Ford Passenger Car 272/292/312:

B5A9350D .. Double Action (Fuel & Vacuum) Fuel Pump.

B5A9350D was replaced in 1957 by B7A9350E. Ford later replaced B7A9350E with B5SZ9350F.

Which one has the glass bowl?

Some of later pumps have a steel bowl, some have a 6" steel can that threads onto the pump that a cartridge fuel filter fits inside.

Ever hear of Larry's Thunderbird (& Mustang) Parts, located (originally) in Fullerton CA for 30 some years?

Larry sold the business, retired and moved to NV...then after a few years, started Concours.

This means that Larry has been around a loooong long time, knows Fords and Ford parts, but....

Since Ford replaces 10's of 1000's of part numbers every year (didn't know that, did'ja?), some of the original stuff is next to impossible to find.

No Ford Dealer or obsolete parts vendor has: B5A9350D.

Exactly one Ford Dealer has B7A9350E. However, if it turns out to have the glass bowl, better get out your wallet, because BOB ALLEN FORD in Overland Park KS (800-676-0675) is HIGH BUCK!

No obsolete parts vendor has B7A9350E, or B5SZ9350F. No Ford Dealer has this fuel pump either.

B5SZ9350F was obsoleted by Ford in 1980.

So...now what? You might contact Early Ford Store (earlyfordstore.com) located in San Dimas CA, as this "mom and pop" obsolete parts store has a ton of goodies.

You may have to describe what you want, because the fellow that runs the place isn't too swift on "newer" Ford part numbers, as he's a Model A, T and early V8 nut.

btw: Do you have an original pump with the glass bowl? If so...get a fuel pump rebuild kit for it.

 

The car currently has a single action fuel pump with a screw in "oil filter" type filter.

concours replied and told me they dont reproduce the glass bowl dual action pump for V8`s for about 3 years now but that he could get me a dual action fuel pump with a canister.

Only question is if I got that would it even be possible to convert from a canister to a glass bowl?

If not I can get the dual action fuel pump without the filter for $50 from advance (restoration shops want over $100 for them).

But I will check out those places you indicated and see what I can find. If I can get a rebuild kit for one I would just simply track down an used orignal one and get a rebuild kit.



~Update~

Looking in my parts and illustration book I see the follow

55 / 57 - 8 cylinder - all - replaced by B7A 9350-D - Part # B5A 9350-C
55 / 57 - 8 cylinder - all - fuel & vac. - repl. by B7A 9350-E - Part # B5A 9350-D

 

I see the same in my 1949/59 Passenger Car Parts Catalog (final printing 1964).

Inre to B5A-9350-D...it says Fuel & Vac. -repl by B7A-9350-E.

Since it doesn't say Fuel & Vac inre to the B5A-9350-C pump, it's not a double action pump.

Where did I find out that B7A-9350-E was later replaced by B5SZ-9350-F?

Right here: Ford & L/M O-S-I Catalog, Volume 4, January 1975, page 263.

O-S-I = Obsolete-Supercede-Interchange Parts Catalog.

Since Ford updates 10's of 1000's of part numbers every year, without this catalog and other info that I have that covers 1940/today, I would not feel justified in typing ONE single part number here on FTE.

The problem with old Ford parts catalogs is...the numbers are old. That's why the O-S-I catalogs are a must have, for without them....

There is no way to verify whether the part number was later updated...or not.

Then there's this boondoggle: In the late 1980's, Ford changed the package quantity of 100,000's of 1000's of parts.

When they did that, they changed the part numbers suffix, rendering ALL the original part numbers OBSOLETE.

None of the new numbers are in any parts catalog prior to the 1980 model year.

Ppl go to dealers every day looking for parts, many of today's "so called" parts personnel haven't a clue, do not know many of these numbers were changed. and do not bother to look.

So...they tell them the parts are obsolete. That may be the case...that may not be. Some ppl are able to get the part number, then try and find it.

Lotsa luck, kiddo's...you may be looking for the wrong fracatta part number!

 

I will have to look into that book I know I saw some parts interchange manuals for my vehicle I was thinking bout getting but I dont think its the same.

I guess what I have to do is basically try and find an orignal and hope I can find a rebuild kit (rebuild kits I keep finding are for up to 1953 nothing for 1956 but I might not be looking in the right place.

 

Ford issued two or three of those O-S-I catalogs EVERY year. Every so often, when parts went obsolete, they removed all the info related to those part numbers from later editions.

What this means is...you'd need O-S-I catalogs from 1957, 1963, 1969, 1975...and etc. to get the info.

Ford stopped printing those individual O-S-I catalogs in the 1980's, put all the info on microfiche slides.

The last edition of the microfiche slides cover 1940/1991. Better get yourself a microfiche viewer and the slides...that is...if you can find them, because...

Ford no longer uses microfiche, printed parts catalog and etc. Everything today is on CD's. When Ford did this, most dealers threw away all the previous material: parts catalogs, microfiche slides...and the viewers.

I have all of this jazz, I also have access to the in-house Ford Dealer Parts locator system, which updates part numbers after 1991.

This same system is used to find parts at all the dealers in North America...obsolete or not. This is how I was able to find that B7A-9350-E fuel pump at the dealer in KS.

What all this means is...what I do on FTE is a labor of love. It's not just lookin' up and typing a part number...much more effort is involved.

And...I do not get paid to do this scheiss, either. Take advantage...kiddo's...while you can. I'll be 65 in a coupla days, and won't be around forever.

 

I will have to get the part number for the other part I need for my 78 mercury its a vacuum operated economy device on a dual mode dura spark system I took it to ford and they said they never made such a part and the part number doesnt exsist.

Other than that the only thing I really need for this car so far is to track down a replacement stock radiator (without transmission cooler) just incase this one cant be repaired, a rebuild kit for a trico vacuum wiper for 56 or any that would rebuild that wiper, and the dual action fuel pump with glass bowl.

 

What you are asking for will be the same for 1977/79: Cougar; LTD II, Ranchero; Thunderbird as all these vehicles came with 351W's and FMX.

Hopefully, I'll have better luck finding this part (it's prolly some sort of sensor or diaphram), than that glass bowled fuel pump.

If there's an ID number on the part itself, post what it is. Otherwise tell me where it goes.

Beginning around 1975, Ford started installing all sorts of jazz to improve fuel economy, after the first Arab oil embargo ended in 1974.

One gallon of regular jumped from around 25 cents a gallon to a buck a gallon nationwide...and that was when a buck was worth a buck.

 

Oh I agree on that. They act like it doesnt exsist but yet how could it not if I have the part.

But on the bracket itself the part number is as follows

D8AE-12A265-DA

Then just below the 265-DA it says

175-575

Its located on the driverside fender. Has two wire hook ups. the wire terminals broke off mine but I was able to solder it back together and I dont know if it works but it seems that im getting around 18 mpg city now with the ac off and about 20 mpg city with the ac on (dont hit the throttle as much with ac on) but I guess the part is working considering the factory rating for the car is around the area of 12 city and 18/19 highway.

That is just like with the radiator on the car. It was leaking not bad just a small leak at the place where the tubes/core meet the passengerside tank. I took it in and they said they couldnt repair it. That a old tank like mine it would take too much heat to solder it back up that it would either A burn through the core/tube or B cause the solder to let go on the other copper cores/tubes. Now I dont know if thats fully true or not but thats the first I ever heard of it. Now I am wondering about my 56 cause the radiator has atleast 1 core/tube completly detached from the upper tank and one or two next to it leaking. But god this one radiator shop is wanting $425 for the stock radiator with transmission cooler (I got a 3 core copper radiator for my 78 cougar for $160 brand new) and they replied saying that he stocks just the one with the cooler cause people can block it off, but with me doing a 100% factory new restoration I want one without the cooler since it is an air cooled transmission. He said he can order one for me from the vender without the cooler or build me one custom but either way its the same price of $425. I am shocked by that, thought it would be cheaper considering theres less work to build one without a trans cooler than with.

Hell theres this one guy in yahoo car chat that is blankly saying a 12 volt electric system with breaker point ignition has 12 volts at the coil. I heard 12 volts would burn the points but I cant find it anywheres online. But whats funny is why have the resistor wire or internal coil resistor if it doesnt reduce the voltage/amperage down. Or theres another guy who is claiming that the Ford-O-Matic (FM) transmission is the same as the newer (1968 first release) of the FMX transmission. Funny how people state things as fact but cant show any proof.

 

D8AE-12A265-DA = D8AZ12A265B .. Ignition Timing Vacuum Switch Assy (Motorcraft SW1495A) / Obsolete

Fits 1978 351W: LTD / Mercury Marquis / LTD II / Cougar / Thunderbird.

Fits 351W: 1979 LTD & Mercury Grand Marquis (except Canada).

I had better luck finding that DA fuel pump, because...no Ford Dealer or obsolete parts vendor has any.

However...it has a Motorcraft part number, which means that autoparts stores carried it.

I'd try NAPA or a good indie autoparts store as they can cross reference Motorcraft part numbers over to the brands they sell.

 

Really? I went to napa first and they said they never seen anything like it and their computers/books dont list it and sent me to the dealership parts department which is where they told me that they never made a part with that part number and that that part number doesnt exsist.

I do know advance carries the double action fuel pump ( same non sediment bowl one as concours) for $50

But I wrote that motorcraft part number down, will check to see if napa could crossreference it (or advance since im to the point of avoiding napa and their inferior products).

 

How old was the partsguy at that NAPA store? 25? 30? 35?

He'd have to be...at least 45 years...to know what it is, cuz that part was only used 1978/79, and then only on some FoMoCo cars.

Did he know the part also has a Motorcraft part number? Obviously not.

You know of course, that on newer Ford vehicles, ALL that's needed to get the part numbers is the specific vehicles VIN.

Type that puppy into Ford's computer system = ALL the part numbers appear on the screen.

That jazz does not work on the older stuff, which means one has to make the effort to look in the parts catalog to find part numbers.

Most of these so called parts ppl today are not parts trained at all. They're computer certified techs.

In other words, the computer does all the work. These clucks have NO CLUE, do not know caca, do not wanna bother...and just give you a line of BS, to get you out the door.

 

I agree. They dont know. The guy at napa I would say late 30`s maybe early 40`s he was an older guy. I had a 50ish yo manager at an Oreilly tell me an Accumulator and Receiver-Drier were the same thing when I asked for a receiver-drier. His reasioning? Computer said for a 82 F150 (Receiver-Drier/Accumulator) which in my book the / means either or, or both.

But besides that quick question if i were to find a double action fuel pump that is used how much money should I expect to pay for one with the glass sediment bowl and everything is there?

Likewise how much should I expect to pay on one that is a old AC rebuilt one that is still in the orignal box?

I have been doing some searching online and found some online on sites like Ebay and such and just wondering how much would be reasionable to go for.

 

inre to Dryer & Accumulator: You could have one or the other, but...not both.

1982 F150

D6AZ19959A .. Dryer Tank (Motorcraft YL106) / Use with dealer installed A/C only.

E2TZ19C836A .. Accumulator (Motorcraft YF1023) / Use with factory installed integral A/C only.

Which one do you need?

I have no clue on what prices are for parts today, except for the fact that they are usually much higher than when the vehicles they fit on...were new.