Questions on the DPF
But..the life of the DPF may be reduced because it will get full sooner?
How long can a DPF last in real world conditions? I don't think we know that true answer yet.
Immediately after I got through ATL I stopped for fuel and while it was in high idle at the pump the display said "drive to clean exhaust filter".
In two years and 97,800 miles I have never seen this message. I know it is part of the system but I just never got into a situation where the PCM demanded that strategy. Makes me wonder if my DPF is beginning to show signs of being near the end of it's duty cycle?
This is what I mean by this system. You just never know what it's going to do, and when.
I do feel better knowing that you had the message too at such a low mileage. I just don't want the thing to limp on me when I am 600 miles from home or on the way to a job.
I do feel better knowing that you had the message too at such a low mileage. I just don't want the thing to limp on me when I am 600 miles from home or on the way to a job.
thanks
Koboss
The dpf is a ceramic wall flow filter. It filters soot. It filters soot below a micron (or size) level that is visible to the human eye.
There is no "bypass" built into the filter. If you are seeing soot in your tailpipe, the dpf is cracked. If something is occurring in front of the dpf to clog it, it will just regen more often, or throw a code if it can't.
Soot in exhaust=cracked dpf
If you see black liquid in your tailpipe, then something else is going on, but the dpf micron size never changes. The only thing that can get through it has to be smaller than the filter will allow. Unless it is cracked or somehow broken.
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There are also several types of filters - an absolute that filters all (or 99.9%) particles greater than a certain size, and a nominal filter that filters a percentage of various sized (90% of 2 micron, 85% of 1 micron, 75% of 2 microns) - the DPF seems to be an absolute filter - but I haven't seen what the cutoff particle size is.
It seems to be to Ford's benefit to keep us in the dark as possible, since they don't want to replace DPFs unless forced to. If they admitted that any soot = a cracked DPF, then their dealers would be submitting a lot more warranty work. It will be interesting to see what happens when our trucks go off warranty - I think they will be a lot more willing to replace the DPF if we are paying for it.
The thing is, I still get black specks on the passenger (exhaust) side of my camper that have never appeared on the left side. This happens rain or shine and if I don't wash camper it gets pretty ugly over time. Until the blackpipe I never thought twice about it; just assument it was normal. I never see black smoke coming out of the exhaust. Admitedly I have heavily tinted windows all around, but I have rolled down windows under heavy acceleration on many occasion and haven't seen smoke. With regens so frequent it is impossible to tell if the specs come out during normal ops or during regen. This occurred before and after the fuel pump replacement. Truck runs as if everything is just fine; frankly other than occasional power loss it did so before the fuel pump replacement.
Question to those that know, Are these specs normal ad regardless, what in the normal ops or regen process could be creating specs in lieu of smoke that folks without white 5ers just won't see. The front wall of the 5th wheel is less than 4 feet behind the bumper, and as many know some older diesels tended to blacken this area a bit.
PS, even with new HP fuel pump I still grow oil at same Ford "ok" rate. Yes I have the Late 2008/January 2009 flash update.
Thanks is advance.
I have 27k miles.
If I were your dealer, I would be on the phone to any and all resources to diagnose your problem.
I tow white trailers constantly, 1970 miles in the last 6 days, none of them have ANY evidence of diesel soot of any type over the last 2 years. I used to get really cranky with the duramax I had 'cause I had to constantly wash the trailers for all the black soot all over them. So, believe me, I know exactly what you are talking about.
It only takes a small crack in the DPF to allow soot by; even a very tiny amount will build up soot in the pipes and not much more to see visible smoke. These engines run low injection timing (and correspondingly more particulates) in order to keep NOX emissions down; the exhaust in the downpipe contains a visible amount of soot the majority of the time under load.
The calibrated error thresholds for the DPF pressure sensor to detect an actual leak aren't as stringent as one might think, simply because there are fluctuations in average pressure over the lifepsan of the DPF and simply in the allowed tolerances as the DPF's are manufactured. The tolerances allowed would not detect the small leaks that are necessary to build up soot or visible smoke.
If it gets bad enough, obviously, codes will be thrown and limp mode will likely ensue, but not all the time. Most DPF cracks happen diagonally across the substrate filter media between the "squares" inside or down the length of the ceramic mesh that binds the substrate squares together. Given the average volume of exhaust passing through the DPF at any given point in time, it takes a pretty hefty leak to cause a detectable amount of pressure drop- let alone one large enough to exceed the calibrated thresholds. The tolerances are more than enough to allow soot buildup and smoking if the DPF contains small cracks.
I can also definitively tell you from looking at the calibration that fueling is in no way directly controlled by the DPF pressure sensor; even for the POST2 "regen" injection. The pressure sensor can request small percentage changes in fueling based on large differentials but normal fueling functions are controlled simply by mass fueling tables.
As for the EGRTB sensor, it being out of calibration could allow the EGR valve to open farther and for longer than needed, decreasing oxygen to the cylinders and increasing particulate production- this would increase overall catalyst and DPF temperatures on average and affect lifespan over time, but once again there are error thresholds for how much duty cycle change is allowed based on EGR inlet/exit temperature differentials. As for coolant quality- anything that affects the function of the EGR coolers- be it air bubbles from low coolant level or whatever else will affect the efficiency of the coolers and provide less temperature drop in the incoming exhaust to the intake manifold. This could also affect soot production as high EGR temperatures require more EGR flow in order to do the same job (and the calibration is aware of this). However, just like the last scenario, there are numerous plausibility diagnostics in place to ensure that these tolerances don't pile up on each other to create a condition that shortens the lifespan of any of the components or cause a drivability concern.
No DPF can allow soot to leak by because it is "overwhelmed" or the presence to too much soot. It can only leak by physical failure; ie cracking; which can be accelerated by too much soot or regens that are too hot or too long due to a malfunction. I see this myth float around the forums a lot.
To answer vloney's question directly, yes, there are situations with hardware control such as the pump valves that can accelerate failure of the DPF under the right conditions. However, I firmly believe none of the conditions could occur in a situation without tripping the diagnostics and correspondingly causing the truck to run like absolute ***. DPF's that so happen to fail and leak soot without diagnostic warning or indications were, IMO, simply faulty components to start with. They are prone to failure inherently by current design.
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