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Old Aug 3, 2009 | 07:56 PM
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I have a 2006 Mark LT 4x4 that I just picked up last week. Maybe I am just too used to my old Bronco w/manual hubs but on the LT are the front axles and front drive shaft supposed to turn even in 2wd?
 
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Old Aug 3, 2009 | 08:58 PM
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No, they are not supposed to turn in 2 wheel drive, unless the engine is off. The iwe solinoid on the firewall supplies vacuum to the hubs to allow them to turn freely. When you put it in 4 wheel drive, no vacuum is sent to hubs, hubs are engauged. SO, if the engine is off, no vacuum is being sent to hubs.
 
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Old Aug 3, 2009 | 09:46 PM
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like he said. there are vacume operated hubs in there, the system makes vac and keeps the axles dis-engaged until you put the truck in 4x4. If your truck is running and you drive or roll it and the front shafts are spinning, you have a problem.
 
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Old Aug 3, 2009 | 11:16 PM
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That makes sense. I checked it when the truck was off and on a lift. I will have to see what it looks like when I am driving. Man hubs have changed!
 
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Old Aug 3, 2009 | 11:19 PM
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well the inner axles will turn but not the drive shaft
 
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Old Aug 4, 2009 | 01:57 AM
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Originally Posted by mountaineer27
well the inner axles will turn but not the drive shaft
nope

the only parts spinning in 4x2 are the rotors and wheel side portion of the IWE. the CV joint side of the IWE are 100% motionless.

nothing spins from the rotor inward unless you put her into 4x4.
 
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Old Aug 4, 2009 | 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by mountaineer27
well the inner axles will turn but not the drive shaft
dodges use to be like that, disengaging at the center section in the pumkin (perhaps they still are) but our fords are not.
 
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Old Aug 4, 2009 | 03:44 PM
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nope

the only parts spinning in 4x2 are the rotors and wheel side portion of the IWE. the CV joint side of the IWE are 100% motionless.

nothing spins from the rotor inward unless you put her into 4x4.

im assuming you meant 4x4 not 4x2 but if the cv axels arnt spinning when you turn doesnt that wear on the cvs a lot? putting binding forces?
 
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Old Aug 4, 2009 | 04:24 PM
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That makes sense. I checked it when the truck was off and on a lift. I will have to see what it looks like when I am driving. Man hubs have changed!
If you want, you can jack up one wheel, start the enging and see if that wheel turns freely. Then repeat on the other wheel.
 
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Originally Posted by mountaineer27
im assuming you meant 4x4 not 4x2 but if the cv axels arnt spinning when you turn doesnt that wear on the cvs a lot? putting binding forces?
nope. the CV's are completely motionless.


the IWE acts exactly like the 1950-1996 Ford Manual Hubs when the truck is in 4x2 mode.

the only time the CV joints ever get any rotation is when you flip her into 4x4...or the motor is off and the truck is rolling in neutral.



IWE (hubs) are engaged if you hit the 4x4 switch, or you turn off the motor. any other time they are in the "unlocked" position and the front axle is 100% motionless
 
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Since the hubs are vacuum controlled is there any need to go in reverse after I click out of 4x4 on the dash?
 
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no, just lift off the throttle just a bit, you'll feel them kick out. I usually lift my foot just enough to let the rpms drop when shifting in or out of 4wheel drive at any speed. just like you would have on any older truck with a transfer case lever sticking up through the floor. if you shift it out without letting off, you'll feel that it does not disengage untill you either let off or change momentum. once you get use to this feel, you will be able to tell if you're IWE vac system ever developes a problem. Backing up? I think the '80s era chevy's use to tell you to do that.
 
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Originally Posted by kameronth
Since the hubs are vacuum controlled is there any need to go in reverse after I click out of 4x4 on the dash?
actually you might have to occasionally. for the same reason you had to back in the old trucks.

all of those moving parts build up driveline torque. so you might have the switch in 4x2, and the IWE is trying to unlock...but. There may be enough metal-to-metal contact from that torque built up and the friction prevents the IWE release.


so a simple change in motion will release that torque.







is it needed? 99% of the time no.
does it hurt to do? not at all

besides, you'll feel it in your steering if the front axle is still engaged. has a very heavy feel to it when it happens
 
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