Early 90's 351w
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Early 90's 351w
I have a chance to pick up a early 90's 351w that needs rebuilt. I plan to look at it tomorrow (Friday) or Saturday.
My question is will I have much trouble placing it in my 1970 F100. I am sure I can still use my 1970 302 heads if i wish. I don't know if it's FI or carb (I will carb it). My main issue is distributor and I also assume it's a roller block too.
I have never had a 351 so it's all new to me.
thanks for any advice, I don't want to waste my cash on the block if it will be a nightmare.
My question is will I have much trouble placing it in my 1970 F100. I am sure I can still use my 1970 302 heads if i wish. I don't know if it's FI or carb (I will carb it). My main issue is distributor and I also assume it's a roller block too.
I have never had a 351 so it's all new to me.
thanks for any advice, I don't want to waste my cash on the block if it will be a nightmare.
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The 351 block didn't become roller ready until 1994, but all 5.8 motors after 1987 were EFI. It will have E7 heads on it which are fine for a street vehicle and will respond to a cam upgrade.. which I highly recommend. You'll need an earlier 351 distributor with either the duraspark setup or points.. the EFI dissy is no good to you, and of course a 351 intake for the carb, the 302 versions won't fit this block. The motor will bolt right in where the 302 was on the same engine mounts but this block won't have the mounting location for a mechanical clutch like the old blocks since all the newer trucks with manuals use a hydraulic clutch.
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Thank you for the info, I have an automatic so I should be good there. I don't have any EGR gear on my 1970 F100, can I block the ports in the heads if the E7's have them (I am sure they do) or should I change the heads to a Non-EGR type? I look at the engine on Sunday, I will have cash in hand.
thanks again,
thanks again,
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EGR blockoff
Removing the EGR crossover tube from the rear of the heads will expose the long drilled passages in the heads. These passages are tapped 5/8 NC, so can be plugged with that size of short bolt or set screw.
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Those holes are not the EGR passages they are part of the air injection system.. but they can still blocked as mentioned. The EGR ports are in the center of the heads between the middle intake ports and they match up with another passage in the intake. All you have to do is put a plate over the spot where the EGR valve would go on the outside of the intake and the system is disabled.
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Oops, thanks for the correction, Conanski. As you say, those ports connect to passages in the intake manifold. On carburated engines this is simply an exhaust crossover to heat the air fuel mixture under the carburetor.
On early carburetor intake manifolds there is no external EGR port to block off.
On early carburetor intake manifolds there is no external EGR port to block off.
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Oops, thanks for the correction, Conanski. As you say, those ports connect to passages in the intake manifold. On carburated engines this is simply an exhaust crossover to heat the air fuel mixture under the carburetor.
On early carburetor intake manifolds there is no external EGR port to block off.
On early carburetor intake manifolds there is no external EGR port to block off.
Things are looking up, hope the gentleman still has the block..
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"So if I get an intake that has no EGR port I will not have to do anything?"
Yes, that's correct. If you do use the EGR type intake, there are a couple types of styles used. The aluminum 2V stocker has a separate rectangular port that can be blocked off with a piece of 1/4" aluminum cut and drilled to suit, while the HO 4V stock cast iron intake (1983-86, or so) has the EGR port as part of the carb mounting surface, so is usually blocked off by placing a steel shim under the carb spacer.
If using early non-EGR intakes, there is the issue of 12 bolt holes vs. 16 bolt holes. This refers to the number of bolts attaching the intake manifold to the cylinder heads. The 16 bolt hole type needs those extra 4 holes blocked off when used with later engines. The switch was made in the early 70s so the early 16 bolt hole types are the stock C90E 4V intakes, which are still commonly encountered at swap meets, and early aftermarket pieces.
"...and I can use a 'plug' to block the air passage? "
Yes, but use the correct 5/8"-11 NC bolts, not pipe plugs.
Yes, that's correct. If you do use the EGR type intake, there are a couple types of styles used. The aluminum 2V stocker has a separate rectangular port that can be blocked off with a piece of 1/4" aluminum cut and drilled to suit, while the HO 4V stock cast iron intake (1983-86, or so) has the EGR port as part of the carb mounting surface, so is usually blocked off by placing a steel shim under the carb spacer.
If using early non-EGR intakes, there is the issue of 12 bolt holes vs. 16 bolt holes. This refers to the number of bolts attaching the intake manifold to the cylinder heads. The 16 bolt hole type needs those extra 4 holes blocked off when used with later engines. The switch was made in the early 70s so the early 16 bolt hole types are the stock C90E 4V intakes, which are still commonly encountered at swap meets, and early aftermarket pieces.
"...and I can use a 'plug' to block the air passage? "
Yes, but use the correct 5/8"-11 NC bolts, not pipe plugs.
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16 bolt and 12 bolt intake images
Let's see if I can add links to, or the actual images of the 16 bolt vs. 12 bolt intakes:
Note that other than the four bolt holes left undrilled, the 12 bolt intake is functionally identical to the 16 bolt, it was a later marine engine part made after the 351W-4V was discontinued.
The problem with those extra four bolt holes is when using later cylinder heads, there's no threaded holes to accept bolts there. However, there's water passages instead so the holes must be plugged or coolant will pour out.
The later 1983-86 4V intake manifold had a slot for the EGR on the right(?) side of the carb holes, but I can't find an image of it.
Note that other than the four bolt holes left undrilled, the 12 bolt intake is functionally identical to the 16 bolt, it was a later marine engine part made after the 351W-4V was discontinued.
The problem with those extra four bolt holes is when using later cylinder heads, there's no threaded holes to accept bolts there. However, there's water passages instead so the holes must be plugged or coolant will pour out.
The later 1983-86 4V intake manifold had a slot for the EGR on the right(?) side of the carb holes, but I can't find an image of it.
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I have a chance to pick up a early 90's 351w that needs rebuilt. I plan to look at it tomorrow (Friday) or Saturday.
My question is will I have much trouble placing it in my 1970 F100. I am sure I can still use my 1970 302 heads if i wish. I don't know if it's FI or carb (I will carb it). My main issue is distributor and I also assume it's a roller block too.
I have never had a 351 so it's all new to me.
thanks for any advice, I don't want to waste my cash on the block if it will be a nightmare.
My question is will I have much trouble placing it in my 1970 F100. I am sure I can still use my 1970 302 heads if i wish. I don't know if it's FI or carb (I will carb it). My main issue is distributor and I also assume it's a roller block too.
I have never had a 351 so it's all new to me.
thanks for any advice, I don't want to waste my cash on the block if it will be a nightmare.
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