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If you guys pull trailers with loads as much as I do, then you would like it as much as I do. When pulling a heavy load while coming to a stop, the speed that the brakes work the hardest is below 40 mph. Unless you start slowing down a quarter mile from the stop sign or red light. I like the downshift being in that MPH range.
Pete, every standard shift truck I've had, I would alway downshift while coming to a stop, even without a load. I never had a problem while doing this.
Possibly. I guess it really boils down to what MPH ranges you typically drive in and whether or not this DP Downshift program would cause your tranny to shift more frequently or not... sort of like what Rick alluded to when he talked about having to change how he drives to avoid "hunting and searching" by the tranny. If you end up seeing the tranny hunt and search more, then you're going to see more wear and tear on its components.
Also, I guess my earlier comments about the "coasting" and downhill driving techniques really don't apply to this thread at all seeing as it is focused on the actions of an auto transmission, and not a manual one.
Sorry Pete. I was not thinking of the "hunting" aspect of the equation. I would totally agree with that. And as Rick mentioned: I also really love the downshift in my tow mode. Not as much hard braking needed when pulling the camper.
Makes sense that the gearing would affect the speed at which the shifts happen.
I have to agree that downshifting for stopping is much more fun. I drove a 4-speed manual with my old F150 I-300 for about 9 years and loved it. I guess my only other point though was that as much more fun as it is with the downshiffting a manual, it does appear to consume a little more fuel as opposed to freewheeling on stops and downhill cruises. Granted, there wasn't anything I could do to improve mileage on that old I6 300 engine, but it sure makes an appreciable difference on my son's Jetta... it just isn't as fun, though.
Transmission tuning is one of the hardest things to get right, because every single customer has their own preference and driving style.
Exactly right.
When Jody live tuned my truck, the first time I tried to coast up to a stop sign my reaction was "Whoa, what did you do, Jody?"
The tunes on my wifes Excursion were very different, shifting wise, and my normal, everyday driving style was not conducive to Jody's newest shift strategies. So for my econo tunes, I asked him to change the shift pattern back to his older setup, which is more in line with the stock shifting pattern.
...and doesn't "freewheel" like the 4r100 does in stock form
This is exactly what I like, and how I drive. With the newer strategy Jody uses, I'd have to stay on the accelerator longer, to keep from slowing too much before needing to stop. I hate this for my daily driver setup.
However, I LOVE this strategy when towing, and have it programmed into all my tow and race tunes. It's absolutely FANTASTIC when I'm towing my travel-trailer or my 10k lb dump trailer
Jody really goes out of his way to make sure the programming he live tunes for your rig makes you completely happy.
It's all about control. I like to use a tranny brake when slowing down under load, and I like to coast (in OD) when I can to conserve fuel. The 3000 gallon fire tenders we use on the island all have multi position jake brakes that allow you to adjust the engine braking for the hill/load conditions. You can also turn it off if not wanted. Conditions change and ideally we should have the ability to change with them.
When I'd go snowboarding, there were some nice long downhill sections. I go EARLY so traffic was light, and if road conditions were OK, I'd put Nyx in the Neutral & coast. EGTs went down, MPH & MPG went up.
With my TDI, I don't have a mileage display... they didn't do that in '96. I just drove from Denver to Baltimore using the Cruise @ 75ish and averaged 43MPG. She was loaded down with a 70 pound server, 6 cases of beer, and a full set of wheels & tires in the trunk. I haven't tried coasting in the TDI yet, but might get around to it.
I do like it but it can get annoying during traffic on the freeway. It goes between 40mp to 55 a lot and it pains me to hear it shift so much. I guess it's not that bad but in a lot of traffic its anoying.
...With my TDI, I don't have a mileage display... they didn't do that in '96. I just drove from Denver to Baltimore using the Cruise @ 75ish and averaged 43MPG. She was loaded down with a 70 pound server, 6 cases of beer, and a full set of wheels & tires in the trunk. I haven't tried coasting in the TDI yet, but might get around to it.
My son's is a late '05 which is when the Mark V version first came out, so it got all the "upgrades" tah came out for the '06 lineup. Typically, when I'm coasting downhill with the clutch in, his MPG display dashes out, which means that the instantaneous values are over 200 mpg during that "coasting period", and you can see the engine RPM drop right back to the idle level and almost can't hear the engine at all. On his last 3-hour trip running 55 on the interstate, he average 53 MPG (hand calc), and could get even more if he ditches his muffler, guts the cat, and opens the exhaust a bit.
Good poll, I didn't vote but I had a second chip that had the downshift on it in 80e mode and really disliked it. On the other hand it would be nice to have when towing the 5th wheel which I wouldn't have thought of without your help. Reps to the OP since I am getting live tuning at riffraff east. Thanks
little late to resopnd but, mine does it i like when towing, but when on a back road dont like so much. i would like to keep it in my tow tunes but not in my driving tunes, maybe i need to have a 80t and 80e same for 60hp. it is really nice when pulling a heavy load that is right as everybody has said
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