Bendix Power Steering Conversion?
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I've decided to go to redhead and get one of his modified/rebuilt ford gear boxes with bearings, etc. I'll get the rest of my gear from a local yard. I've found the pump the bracket (seems to be kinda rare). I've also found a ford pump (round one) with a pulley on it, but wondering how I figure out what size crank pulley and harmonic balancer I need? How do i know the two pulley diameter's are compatible?
The 1968/71 car 390 / 1968/76 360/390 F100/350 balancer will not fit your engine as the bolt pattern is not the same.
Since the 1968/76 balancer will not work, 1968/76 outer crankshaft pulley's will not work either.
You will need an outer crankshaft pulley for a 1967 or earlier 352/390. This pulley bolts to your present balancer. Ford offered outer pulley's with one, two or three sheaves.
Depending on which sheave pulley you need, I have found these before NOS (New Old Stock) for members of FTE.
The Ford P/S pump you need has a steel reservoir and dipstick. This pump was used on many 1965/77 cars and late 1969 and 1970/77 trucks.
Ford changed the pump's design in 1978...it has a plastic reservoir and dipstick. You do not want this one, because when Ford changed the pump, they also changed the P/S hoses.
Ergo: 1978 and later P/S hoses will not work on 1977 and earlier pumps.
btw: Obsolete parts are only hard to find...if one does not know where to look for them. Don't panic if you cannot find something.
Post your request and I can prolly find it.
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You guys are like Ford encyclopedias....Ok, so i need to make sure i get a metal reservoir pump that is '78 or earlier and matching hoses that are also '78 or earlier. I assume the hose other ends will fit most Ford gear boxes. On the pulley side, i need a single sheave '67 or earlier and my existing harmonic balance will work just fine. Do the pulley diameters vary or are they all the same? Does the sheave on the crankshaft pulley usually match the sheave on the pump pulley?
Thanks yet again....
Murray
Thanks yet again....
Murray
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Lemme see what single sheave outer pulley's I can find. Since this is a mod, the diameters won't make any difference and are very slight...regardless.
My next post in this thread will have the info, as it takes time to look up, search...then post the results. My lousy two finger typing is also a factor.
I also edit a lot, so reading one a my posts an hour later (after the FTE editing time runs out) is a good idea.
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That didn't take as long as I thought, here's the results:
Outer single sheave crank pulley's:
C1AZ6A312C .. Outer Pulley-5 61/64" in diameter / Obsolete
JST AUTOMOTIVE in Lebanon TN has ONE = 615-443-3086.
KLIMESH MOTOR SALES in Calmar IA has ONE = 563-562-3241.
TISON MOTOR SALES in Estill SC has ONE = 803-625-2551.
DENNIS CARPENTER OBSOLETE PARTS in Concord NC has ONE = 704-786-8139.
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C5TZ6A312A .. Outer Pulley-6 5/8" in diameter / Obsolete
DENNIS CARPENTER has ONE.
ANTIQUE AUTO SUPPLY in Arlington TX has ONE = 817-275-2381.
BOB ALLEN FORD in Overland Park KS has ONE = 800-676-0675. This dealer is HIGH BUCK, should only be called as a last resort!
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C1AZ6A312D .. Outer Pulley-6.60" in diameter / Obsolete
JST AUTOMOTIVE has ONE.
DENNIS CARPENTER has ONE.
TISON MOTOR SALES has ONE.
MILLER OBSOLETE PARTS in Binghamton NY has ONE: 800-546-7278.
"HIGH BUCK" BOB ALLEN FORD has ONE.
Outer single sheave crank pulley's:
C1AZ6A312C .. Outer Pulley-5 61/64" in diameter / Obsolete
JST AUTOMOTIVE in Lebanon TN has ONE = 615-443-3086.
KLIMESH MOTOR SALES in Calmar IA has ONE = 563-562-3241.
TISON MOTOR SALES in Estill SC has ONE = 803-625-2551.
DENNIS CARPENTER OBSOLETE PARTS in Concord NC has ONE = 704-786-8139.
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C5TZ6A312A .. Outer Pulley-6 5/8" in diameter / Obsolete
DENNIS CARPENTER has ONE.
ANTIQUE AUTO SUPPLY in Arlington TX has ONE = 817-275-2381.
BOB ALLEN FORD in Overland Park KS has ONE = 800-676-0675. This dealer is HIGH BUCK, should only be called as a last resort!
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C1AZ6A312D .. Outer Pulley-6.60" in diameter / Obsolete
JST AUTOMOTIVE has ONE.
DENNIS CARPENTER has ONE.
TISON MOTOR SALES has ONE.
MILLER OBSOLETE PARTS in Binghamton NY has ONE: 800-546-7278.
"HIGH BUCK" BOB ALLEN FORD has ONE.
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Bill, thanks for taking the time to look up these part numbers...it would be a major hassle to get all this installed only to discover that i used the wrong pulleys. This will be super helpful. Thanks again.
Murray
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Bendix PWR Sterring Conversion....
Well, I've certainly learned quite a bit through this process...."Betty" should be up and running this afternoon. I went with the Bendix gearbox in the hope of avoiding all the column shortening hassles. As it turns-out, i had to remove the steering shaft anyway and shorten it by 3/4" or the shifter cowling in the cab would have a gap between it and the steering column. Removing it, cutting it and re-welding were easy, but true-ing it up was tough. I tried to use one of the newer power steering pumps (with the large plastic reservoir). Well, it didn't fit the pump bracket so, had to get the round metal pump. Other than those hassles, it has gone fairly well. I had redhead steering gears look over the gearbox and he said it was really tight.
That's all for now.
Murr
That's all for now.
Murr
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okay i dug up this thread and really enjoyed reading it and have a question. my predicament is that my truck has bendix. it should have ford, but it has bendix. the cost of a rebuilt one from autozone is $400 with core, and i called redheadgears, theirs is $426 with core.
this not only an enormous, but a disgusting amount of money to pay for a design that is a piece of garbage, and is obsolete, and parts for it are obsolete.
if i want to go with the ford "shmaginaw" (4 u bill)
i am to understand that i am looking at a new pump, new pitman arm, shorter or different steering column, as well as new lines.
some of us though dont have the ability or the space to obtain a donor truck.
i just want some suggestions on what to do.....
after i fix this i just need to fix the transmission leaks and i will be leak free.
this bendix gearbox has been gushing a quart of fluid per day.
my reason for not being able to decide what to do is that if i was to go with another bendix, it is a done deal and hassle is exchanged for $ in a similar way that force is exchanged for distance, and time is exchanged for money, and vice versa.
this not only an enormous, but a disgusting amount of money to pay for a design that is a piece of garbage, and is obsolete, and parts for it are obsolete.
if i want to go with the ford "shmaginaw" (4 u bill)
i am to understand that i am looking at a new pump, new pitman arm, shorter or different steering column, as well as new lines.
some of us though dont have the ability or the space to obtain a donor truck.
i just want some suggestions on what to do.....
after i fix this i just need to fix the transmission leaks and i will be leak free.
this bendix gearbox has been gushing a quart of fluid per day.
my reason for not being able to decide what to do is that if i was to go with another bendix, it is a done deal and hassle is exchanged for $ in a similar way that force is exchanged for distance, and time is exchanged for money, and vice versa.
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but it has bendix.From serial number D96,001 = Ford P/S and this includes F350's that were not available with P/S until Ford changed the design of the system.
Since all the parts are obsolete, the autozone's so-called rebuilt gearbox is nothing more than a resealed gearbox!
This is the same scenario with the autoparts store Ford integral P/S so-called rebuilt gearboxes, they are resealed only, not rebuilt.
Instead of payin' 400 bucks for a resealed gearbox, why not buy the Bendix seal kit and do it yourself?
C6TZ3E500A .. Bendix P/S Gearbox Master Seal Kit / Obsolete / The last MSRP was $165.58, dealer net cost was $99.35.
HASELDEN BROTHERS FORD in Hemingway SC has 1 = 843-558-2134.
SOEBY MOTORS in Walhalla ND has 2 = 701-549-3711. This is "mom and pop" dealership, they close for lunch! So call before/after.
GREEN SALES CO. in Cincinnati OH has 67 = 800-543-4959.
I'd be willing to bet that the Ford Dealers will be cheaper than Green Sales.
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OK, I'm gonna ask just for curiosity's sake. When I converted my '66 F100 to power steering, the steel reservoir pump came with a proper dipstick and cap assembly, but the dipstick assembly has no finger handle.
Mine functions correctly, it is just a little harder to get the dipstick out and I end up with greasier hands whenever I check my fluid level.
I looked at it closely and it doesn't look like it is missing the handle, it just looks like it never had one.
Anyone else have this type? (hmmmm....maybe it's just really rare, like one of those push button AM radios?)
Mine functions correctly, it is just a little harder to get the dipstick out and I end up with greasier hands whenever I check my fluid level.
I looked at it closely and it doesn't look like it is missing the handle, it just looks like it never had one.
Anyone else have this type? (hmmmm....maybe it's just really rare, like one of those push button AM radios?)
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I've heard people throw off on the bendix box, call it junk. I have one in my red 65. It leaked bad when I first got it. Put in a seal kit and replaced the O-ring in the control valve inside the gear. No more leak... That was 2003. The truck drives great. I've been collecting all the period correct parts so the other 65 is going to get the same setup. I know it wasn't an option on 65s, but it was available in Oct' 65 for the 66s.It's too late, I'm spoiled now..LOL
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OK, I'm gonna ask just for curiosity's sake. When I converted my '66 F100 to power steering, the steel reservoir pump came with a proper dipstick and cap assembly, but the dipstick assembly has no finger handle.
Mine functions correctly, it is just a little harder to get the dipstick out and I end up with greasier hands whenever I check my fluid level.
I looked at it closely and it doesn't look like it is missing the handle, it just looks like it never had one.
Anyone else have this type? (hmmmm....maybe it's just really rare, like one of those push button AM radios?)
Mine functions correctly, it is just a little harder to get the dipstick out and I end up with greasier hands whenever I check my fluid level.
I looked at it closely and it doesn't look like it is missing the handle, it just looks like it never had one.
Anyone else have this type? (hmmmm....maybe it's just really rare, like one of those push button AM radios?)
Some are straight, some are angled. The dipsticks have a crook on one end, none that I'm aware of, came without a handle. There is no separate cap on these pumps.
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Angle on the dangle. The pump (w/a steel reservoir) is from 1967/77 Passenger Cars (except w/Hydro-Boost); 1969 F100/350 from serial number D96,001; 1970/77 F100/350.
The handle of the dipstick has broken off. All that's left appears to be a cap, but it's actually part of the dipstick.
D6AZ3A006B (replaced: D6AZ3A006A, D1VY3A006A, C7AZ3A006A) .. P/S Pump Dipstick / Obsolete
Fits: ALL 1967/77 Passenger Cars (except T-Birds & Marks w/Hydro-Boost); 1969 F100/350 from serial number D96,001; 1970/77 F100/350.
C7AZ3A006A =
MCKINSEY-BALLARD MOTOR CO. in Clinton OK has 20 = 580-323-0258.
No other Ford Dealer, no obsolete parts vendor has any.
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D6AZ3A006B (looks slightly different than the original C7AZ-A) =
B. F. WHITE MOTOR CO. in Stanton TX has 1 = 800-953-3321.
GLOFF MOTOR CO. in Clifton TX has 2 = 254-675-8369.
GREEN SALES CO. in Cincinnati OH has 6 = 800-543-4959.
KINSEL L/M in Beaumont TX has 7 = 800-816-2894.
PARTS INTERNATIONAL in Farmers Branch TX has 7 = 888-727-0418.
Shop around ifin you want D6AZ3A006B. Parts International is closer, but tends to be high buck.
Note: The pump used 1978 and later is different, has a plastic reservoir and dipstick.
The handle of the dipstick has broken off. All that's left appears to be a cap, but it's actually part of the dipstick.
D6AZ3A006B (replaced: D6AZ3A006A, D1VY3A006A, C7AZ3A006A) .. P/S Pump Dipstick / Obsolete
Fits: ALL 1967/77 Passenger Cars (except T-Birds & Marks w/Hydro-Boost); 1969 F100/350 from serial number D96,001; 1970/77 F100/350.
C7AZ3A006A =
MCKINSEY-BALLARD MOTOR CO. in Clinton OK has 20 = 580-323-0258.
No other Ford Dealer, no obsolete parts vendor has any.
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D6AZ3A006B (looks slightly different than the original C7AZ-A) =
B. F. WHITE MOTOR CO. in Stanton TX has 1 = 800-953-3321.
GLOFF MOTOR CO. in Clifton TX has 2 = 254-675-8369.
GREEN SALES CO. in Cincinnati OH has 6 = 800-543-4959.
KINSEL L/M in Beaumont TX has 7 = 800-816-2894.
PARTS INTERNATIONAL in Farmers Branch TX has 7 = 888-727-0418.
Shop around ifin you want D6AZ3A006B. Parts International is closer, but tends to be high buck.
Note: The pump used 1978 and later is different, has a plastic reservoir and dipstick.
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Gemmer and worm? What the heck is that?
Gemmer was one of the manufacturers of steering gearboxes, as was Ross and both use a steering shaft and worm (Ford basic p/n 3524).
There are basically two types of steering, recirculating ball and rack & pinion.
btw: When you go to the parts store, make sure you tell them you have Ford P/S when you buy seal kits, otherwise...
Gemmer was one of the manufacturers of steering gearboxes, as was Ross and both use a steering shaft and worm (Ford basic p/n 3524).
There are basically two types of steering, recirculating ball and rack & pinion.
btw: When you go to the parts store, make sure you tell them you have Ford P/S when you buy seal kits, otherwise...
Gemmer is a manufacturer. I was probobly tired as heck as I typoed the heck out of this.
Worm and cam and worm and roller.
Worm and cam uses a two pronged "cam" attached to the pitman that lies against a worm gear tied into the sector shaft. Used in kaiser jeeps and probobly many others over the years.
Cam and roller uses a quarter moon gear attached to the pitman arm wich rides against a worm gear on the sector shaft.
They are both very high on the friction scale and the worm and cam system is know to break teeth alot.
Saginaw utalized a set of ***** mounted between the worm sector shaft and a slighding rack that moved in regards to the rotation of the wheel. This rack was esentialy a half nut that acted against a quarter moon gear on the pitman arm. The advantage was that friction was greatly reduced and made manual steering much easier.
Fords power steering is of a GM type "saginaw" design utalizing the recirculating ball system as was their later manual steering.
I am betting it was a ford in house design. I also am willing to bet ford paid royalties to GM for it.