V10 is dieing, where do I go from here?
#1
V10 is dieing, where do I go from here?
Long story short, I replaced the oil pump and cooler and the timing chain gears, chains and tensioner to "fix" (fix lasted 3 days) an oil pressure prob and am now experiencing low end noises preceded by loss of oil pressure, which has since come back to normal levels. 2 mechanics and a Ford Mech tell me it's probably spun bearings and I am better off replacing the motor. They claim that the labor alone for the job is almost as much as the motor. New Jasper cost roughly $3500. The most recommended rebuild guy in my area wants $4K and says that he knows of no performance upgrades internally. I have been somewhat underwhelmed with the pulling (or lack thereof) power. I pull a 7000# TT. 3V V10's don't seem to be an option and diesel swap seems to be a $10K endeavour. Sure could use some advice from someone familiar with the process by either doing this or paying to have it done. I would just like it to me reliable and tow my TT well.
#2
send a PM to FTEpartsguy..
he should be able to get u a price on a actual Ford replacement engine.
not sure what it will cost but its a option worth looking into...
was gunna suggest maybe it was just the oil pressure sending unit if u seeing 0 pressure, but bottom end noises cant be good..
i had a oil sending unit failure in my 2000 F150 5.4, super cheap repair. but then my motor wasnt maknig noise, just showing no pressure intermitentaly.
he should be able to get u a price on a actual Ford replacement engine.
not sure what it will cost but its a option worth looking into...
was gunna suggest maybe it was just the oil pressure sending unit if u seeing 0 pressure, but bottom end noises cant be good..
i had a oil sending unit failure in my 2000 F150 5.4, super cheap repair. but then my motor wasnt maknig noise, just showing no pressure intermitentaly.
#4
What year is the truck, and what gears do you have?
If the engine was good, I'd say get with Mike at 5-star tuning (the sponsor of this forum) and get his 87 octane custom towing tune. I tried it, and it is obvious the shifting alone would make a huge difference, but even the tune itself makes a noticable amount more low-end-torque than the stock tune.
As for the lack of oil pressure, doesn't sound good on the bottom end. I would consider either a used motor, or getting a Ford-rebuild from Ed - who used to be FTE/PARTS-GUY but not sure about that anymore.
If it were me, I'd pull the engine myself and rebuild the bottom end, but that's a lot of work and scary for someone who hasn't done stuff like that before.
If you're capable of pulling the engine yourself, that would save you a lot of labor $'s. It's not hard to pull it out the front, just remove as much of the front clip as you can, radiator, support, grill, etc, remove the throttle body (and the intake) and attach the boom of the engine hoist as close to the motor as possible before pulling it.
If the engine was good, I'd say get with Mike at 5-star tuning (the sponsor of this forum) and get his 87 octane custom towing tune. I tried it, and it is obvious the shifting alone would make a huge difference, but even the tune itself makes a noticable amount more low-end-torque than the stock tune.
As for the lack of oil pressure, doesn't sound good on the bottom end. I would consider either a used motor, or getting a Ford-rebuild from Ed - who used to be FTE/PARTS-GUY but not sure about that anymore.
If it were me, I'd pull the engine myself and rebuild the bottom end, but that's a lot of work and scary for someone who hasn't done stuff like that before.
If you're capable of pulling the engine yourself, that would save you a lot of labor $'s. It's not hard to pull it out the front, just remove as much of the front clip as you can, radiator, support, grill, etc, remove the throttle body (and the intake) and attach the boom of the engine hoist as close to the motor as possible before pulling it.
#5
2000 with 3.73's. 113000 miles
I have the SCT from Mike.
I just hate to be spending this much money and not be getting a bunch more power when it's done.
I don't have the know how to do this without having to pay someone double to fix what I mess up. Every mechanic I have spoken to over the last couple days (whether Ford or Chevy) advises me to either rebuild completely or replace. Apparently because the bearing job on this is about a 25+ hr job.
FTE's website says that they are not taking any more orders. I thought maybe they were going out of business or something.
I have the SCT from Mike.
I just hate to be spending this much money and not be getting a bunch more power when it's done.
I don't have the know how to do this without having to pay someone double to fix what I mess up. Every mechanic I have spoken to over the last couple days (whether Ford or Chevy) advises me to either rebuild completely or replace. Apparently because the bearing job on this is about a 25+ hr job.
FTE's website says that they are not taking any more orders. I thought maybe they were going out of business or something.
#6
FTE? or FTE/PARTS-GUY? Ed left whatever dealer he was at, and is working on getting to a new home, I believe. He can still get parts, though.
The 3.73's are killing you for towing ability. 4.30's would work much better. But that's a moot point right now.
With the cost of the new engine, and installation, maybe looking at another truck might be an option.
If it were me, I'd pull the pan, and a few main and rod bearings and see what they look like.
The 3.73's are killing you for towing ability. 4.30's would work much better. But that's a moot point right now.
With the cost of the new engine, and installation, maybe looking at another truck might be an option.
If it were me, I'd pull the pan, and a few main and rod bearings and see what they look like.
#7
I just did see a V-10 engine for sale Ebay,,,was like $410 bucks for a complete motor,,,ya I know,,,where is it,,,,my point is,,,call some junk yards, check craigs list,,etc should be able to find one for sale for around $500 in running condition,,,call a buddy or 2 that has a bit of knowledge with engines,,,buy the Beer and do it up.
I would suggest changing and torqng the spark plugs, check and or replace all exhaust manifold studs while the engine is out,,much easier,,,Good Luck !
I would suggest changing and torqng the spark plugs, check and or replace all exhaust manifold studs while the engine is out,,much easier,,,Good Luck !
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FTE's website says that they are not taking any more orders. I thought maybe they were going out of business or something.
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I decided to put a Ford reman in. Same price as a Jasper and I can get it warranteed any where in the country for the next 3 years. I have been told to swap out the oil pan for a baffled one. Any one know where to find one of these? Also, I am considering headers. Seams like if I am ever going to do them, now is the time. Anyone actually put headers on theirs? What did you use and why?
#12
Long story short, I replaced the oil pump and cooler and the timing chain gears, chains and tensioner to "fix" (fix lasted 3 days) an oil pressure prob and am now experiencing low end noises preceded by loss of oil pressure, which has since come back to normal levels. 2 mechanics and a Ford Mech tell me it's probably spun bearings and I am better off replacing the motor. They claim that the labor alone for the job is almost as much as the motor. New Jasper cost roughly $3500. The most recommended rebuild guy in my area wants $4K and says that he knows of no performance upgrades internally. I have been somewhat underwhelmed with the pulling (or lack thereof) power. I pull a 7000# TT. 3V V10's don't seem to be an option and diesel swap seems to be a $10K endeavour. Sure could use some advice from someone familiar with the process by either doing this or paying to have it done. I would just like it to me reliable and tow my TT well.
Darn! Wish I saw this sooner. I'd sell you my V10 for that kind of money so I could do a Diesel swap (Cummins)
#13
I have 3.73s in mine and it pull great, 30 mph and over.
You put 18K behind it and it is a turd starting on a hill up to about 35.
after that it will run with traffic at 1/4 to 1/2 throttle.
You should put a used motor in, swap the gears to 4.30s.
How many miles, and what trany?
You put 18K behind it and it is a turd starting on a hill up to about 35.
after that it will run with traffic at 1/4 to 1/2 throttle.
You should put a used motor in, swap the gears to 4.30s.
How many miles, and what trany?
You must run with slow traffic.
#15
No it runs pretty decent. Anyway you slice it, it's not a diesel when it comes to a heavy load and it can't be. I love the truck, and the V10 isn't a bad motor don't get me wrong. When this motor craps out I'll definetely do the Cummins conversion.