360 water pump problem
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360 water pump problem
Hi all,
I purchased a 66' f100 to fix up. When it came to the new water pump the fan belt was too short the belt rubbed the bottom hose and the pulleys touched. I purchased the flowkooler model 1642. Then I purchased one from NAPA.
Now the only way I know its a 360 is the valve cover sticker and I got a date code of Dec. 20th 1969 by the oil filter and a 352 stamp on the block. Edit (Also The Intake reads C9AE9425-B ) Edit
The pulleys are 7 1/4 which I think is correct?
Do I hunt up a smaller pulley? Do I need to add more gaskets to move the pulley's edge away from crank pulley edge?
I threw the old one back on to protect my sanity and yeah it fits right :/
Thanks,
DickyDale
I purchased a 66' f100 to fix up. When it came to the new water pump the fan belt was too short the belt rubbed the bottom hose and the pulleys touched. I purchased the flowkooler model 1642. Then I purchased one from NAPA.
Now the only way I know its a 360 is the valve cover sticker and I got a date code of Dec. 20th 1969 by the oil filter and a 352 stamp on the block. Edit (Also The Intake reads C9AE9425-B ) Edit
The pulleys are 7 1/4 which I think is correct?
Do I hunt up a smaller pulley? Do I need to add more gaskets to move the pulley's edge away from crank pulley edge?
I threw the old one back on to protect my sanity and yeah it fits right :/
Thanks,
DickyDale
Last edited by dickydale; Jun 10, 2009 at 09:03 PM. Reason: more info
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I found this looking up stamp codes
"Design Change:
The Suffix denotes the change level, for example: A = 1st change level, B = 2nd change level, etc. Often this indicates what application the basic part is used for. For example - 9425-A is for a 289 2v motor, whereas a 9425-B is for a 289 4v motor"
Is my engine a 289?
no way.. but I have no idea
"Design Change:
The Suffix denotes the change level, for example: A = 1st change level, B = 2nd change level, etc. Often this indicates what application the basic part is used for. For example - 9425-A is for a 289 2v motor, whereas a 9425-B is for a 289 4v motor"
Is my engine a 289?
no way.. but I have no idea
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DD, The only V8 offered in 66 was the FE 352 which looks just like the 360 & 390. After 40 years you could have a 289 swapped in. Look at the spark plug wires, Are they like this \\ // then it's a FE.
I have seen a new rebuild being delivered and it ran hot and blew a head gasket. The lower hose was rubbed by the belt and a pin hole allowed the water to escape. I know you can slightly twist the hose and it will clear the belt.
Use the old pulley.
John
I have seen a new rebuild being delivered and it ran hot and blew a head gasket. The lower hose was rubbed by the belt and a pin hole allowed the water to escape. I know you can slightly twist the hose and it will clear the belt.
Use the old pulley.
John
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"Design Change: The Suffix denotes the change level, for example: A = 1st change level, B = 2nd change level, etc. Often this indicates what application the basic part is used for. For example - 9425-A is for a 289 2v motor, whereas a 9425-B is for a 289 4v motor" 
The info is in-correct. There were no 289's after 1968, and the suffixes of FORD ID numbers may or may not constitute a design change.
Is my engine a 289? No.
The info is in-correct. There were no 289's after 1968, and the suffixes of FORD ID numbers may or may not constitute a design change.
Is my engine a 289? No.
Ford ID number: C9AE-9425-B = Ford part number: C9AZ-9424-E .. Intake Manifold / C9AZ-9424-E replaced C5AZ-9424-A.
Fits: 1965/67 F100/350 352 // 1968/72 F100/350 360/390 / 1965/71 352/390 FoMoCo passenger cars.
There is no way...none...that a 360 waterpump will bolt on anything else other than another FE engine (332/352/360/390/406/410/427/428).
DOAZ-8501-D .. Waterpump / Fits: all FE engines 1965/76.
B7A-8509-C .. Single Sheave (Groove) Waterpump Pulley / 6 5/8" O/A diameter / Fits: 1965/67 F100/350 352 / 1965/67 Passenger Cars 352/390/410/428.
C8AZ-8509-A .. Single Sheave Waterpump Pulley / 7 15/64" O/A diameter / Fits: 1968/72 F100/350 360/390 / 1968/71 390/428 Passenger Cars.
Look on your waterpump pulley for the Ford ID number, post it here.
Ford may have 5-10 different ID number suffixes for just one exact same part, which means that...
When all the different ID numbers are cross-referenced to actual Ford part numbers, the part number could be the same for all of them!
That intake manifold ID number you posted has EIGHT different ID numbers, but the part number is the same.
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Hey John,
You know after doing some more reading that intake number seems to be posted on other forums and nothing to do with a 289. They did swap to what appears to be a 360FE with a C6 tranny and a 71 rearend
Motor sounds tight but had bad radiator and would overheat at end of running. I bought new radiator thermostat and water pump.
I still need a shroud and install the overflow tank.
What I did do with the flowkooler was slide the hose down a bit and bought a tad bigger fan belt tightened it all up but the pulleys met like ting ting......... ting ting........ ting ting.
Should i use a spacer and get the pully rims away from each other or does that mess with the belt alignment too much?
Thanks
DickyDale
You know after doing some more reading that intake number seems to be posted on other forums and nothing to do with a 289. They did swap to what appears to be a 360FE with a C6 tranny and a 71 rearend
Motor sounds tight but had bad radiator and would overheat at end of running. I bought new radiator thermostat and water pump.
I still need a shroud and install the overflow tank.
What I did do with the flowkooler was slide the hose down a bit and bought a tad bigger fan belt tightened it all up but the pulleys met like ting ting......... ting ting........ ting ting.
Should i use a spacer and get the pully rims away from each other or does that mess with the belt alignment too much?
Thanks
DickyDale
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That's the wrong pulley for your application (1968/72 360/390 engine).
C5UE-8509-A = C5UZ-8509-A .. Waterpump Pulley / 6 63/64" O/A diameter / Fits: 1965/67 Econoline 240 I-6.
You need C8AZ-8509-A .. Waterpump Pulley for a single belt / Obsolete
PEROGIE ENTERPRISES in Highstown NJ has ONE = 609-448-1684.
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Or C8AZ-8509-C .. Waterpump Pulley if for two belts / Obsolete
ED BENNETT FORD PARTS in Lebanon PA has ONE = 717-272-8762.
MILLER OBSOLETE PARTS in Binghamton NY has TWO = 800-546-7278.
BOB ALLEN FORD in Overland Park KS has TWO = 800-676-0675.
GREEN SALES COMPANY in Cincinnati OH has EIGHT = 800-543-4959.
C5UE-8509-A = C5UZ-8509-A .. Waterpump Pulley / 6 63/64" O/A diameter / Fits: 1965/67 Econoline 240 I-6.
You need C8AZ-8509-A .. Waterpump Pulley for a single belt / Obsolete
PEROGIE ENTERPRISES in Highstown NJ has ONE = 609-448-1684.
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Or C8AZ-8509-C .. Waterpump Pulley if for two belts / Obsolete
ED BENNETT FORD PARTS in Lebanon PA has ONE = 717-272-8762.
MILLER OBSOLETE PARTS in Binghamton NY has TWO = 800-546-7278.
BOB ALLEN FORD in Overland Park KS has TWO = 800-676-0675.
GREEN SALES COMPANY in Cincinnati OH has EIGHT = 800-543-4959.
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Well Bill the dilemma,
If the existing pulleys are waterpump @ 7" and the crank @ 7 1/4"
The new pulley will be even larger @ 7 1/4"
I have to surmise that the crank pulley is not correct. Can you look up the specs/part # of the crank pulley for 69' 360?
What I see on the crank is a double pulley in rear and a single in the front.
I seen this on ebay
OEM Ford single groove pulleys for all FE engines 352,360,390,406,410,427,428.
One for the waterpump and one for the crankshaft.
Ford part # C8AE-6A312-B Crank pulley
Ford part # C8AE-8A528-B Waterpump pulley
The outside diameter of the crank pulley is 6.75" and the outside diameter of the water pump pulley is 7.25". This is a matched set that was on my 482 stroker FE
Thanks
DickyDale
If the existing pulleys are waterpump @ 7" and the crank @ 7 1/4"
The new pulley will be even larger @ 7 1/4"
I have to surmise that the crank pulley is not correct. Can you look up the specs/part # of the crank pulley for 69' 360?
What I see on the crank is a double pulley in rear and a single in the front.
I seen this on ebay
OEM Ford single groove pulleys for all FE engines 352,360,390,406,410,427,428.
One for the waterpump and one for the crankshaft.
Ford part # C8AE-6A312-B Crank pulley
Ford part # C8AE-8A528-B Waterpump pulley
The outside diameter of the crank pulley is 6.75" and the outside diameter of the water pump pulley is 7.25". This is a matched set that was on my 482 stroker FE
Thanks
DickyDale
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Well Bill the dilemma,
If the existing pulleys are waterpump @ 7" and the crank @ 7 1/4"
The new pulley will be even larger @ 7 1/4"
I have to surmise that the crank pulley is not correct. Can you look up the specs/part # of the crank pulley for 69' 360?
What I see on the crank is a double pulley in rear and a single in the front.
Look again, it should be the other way around. See below.
I seen this on ebay
OEM Ford single groove pulleys for all FE engines 352,360,390,406,410,427,428.
One for the waterpump and one for the crankshaft.
Ford ID # C8AE-6A312-B Crank pulley
Ford ID # C8AE-8A528-B Waterpump pulley
The outside diameter of the crank pulley is 6.75" and the outside diameter of the water pump pulley is 7.25". This is a matched set that was on my 482 stroker FE.
If the existing pulleys are waterpump @ 7" and the crank @ 7 1/4"
The new pulley will be even larger @ 7 1/4"
I have to surmise that the crank pulley is not correct. Can you look up the specs/part # of the crank pulley for 69' 360?
What I see on the crank is a double pulley in rear and a single in the front.
Look again, it should be the other way around. See below.
I seen this on ebay
OEM Ford single groove pulleys for all FE engines 352,360,390,406,410,427,428.
One for the waterpump and one for the crankshaft.
Ford ID # C8AE-6A312-B Crank pulley
Ford ID # C8AE-8A528-B Waterpump pulley
The outside diameter of the crank pulley is 6.75" and the outside diameter of the water pump pulley is 7.25". This is a matched set that was on my 482 stroker FE.
1968/76 F100/350 360/390 (1968/71 390/428 passenger cars) use the same harmonic balancer: D2TZ-6316-A
C8AE-8A658-B = C8AZ-8509-A .. Waterpump Pulley / This is the same pulley I listed above in post # 7.
C8AE-6A312-B = C8AZ-6A312-E .. Outer Crankshaft Pulley-Single Sheave / 6 25/32" O/A diameter.
Fits: 1968/72 360/390 (1968/71 390/428 passenger cars).
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A double sheave (two belts) crankshaft pulley is used if the truck has P/S or A/C. It bolts to the harmonic balancer. The following is what's prolly on your truck:
C8AZ-6A312-C .. Outer Crankshaft Pulley / Marked: C8AE-6312-C / 6 21/32" large pulley O/A diameter / 6" small pulley O/A diameter.
If your truck does not have P/S or A/C, you do not need a double sheave outer crankshaft pulley.
btw: The wheelcovers on your truck are genuine Ford, but were not offered until 1970.
People are looking for these covers, as they were used 1970 thru 1979, mainly on the Explorer models, and are not reproduced.
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[quote=NumberDummy;7602059]The harmonic balancer has a single sheave pulley as part of the assembly, it does not come apart.
Hey Bill,
I was just looking at a 390 on craigslist and they have a pic showing the balancer (without a pulley)?
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u...avan390002.jpg
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u...ick/390003.jpg
Is this a aftermarket balancer w/out a pulley?
Am I seeing things?
DickyDale
Hey Bill,
I was just looking at a 390 on craigslist and they have a pic showing the balancer (without a pulley)?
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u...avan390002.jpg
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u...ick/390003.jpg
Is this a aftermarket balancer w/out a pulley?
Am I seeing things?
DickyDale
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[quote=dickydale;7609399]
I know that the harmonic balancer used on 1958/67's (C3AZ6312E) has the pulley, because I have three of these engines.
The parts catalog shows the 1968/76 balancer (D2TZ6316A) with a pulley.
I do not have one of these later engines, so...either the picture Ford used in the parts catalog is of the earlier balancer, or...?
D2TZ6316A is obsolete, only one source has one. I suggest you call them and find out what it looks like.
HAVEN FORD SALES in Haven KS has it = 800-748-7803.
The harmonic balancer has a single sheave pulley as part of the assembly, it does not come apart.
Hey Bill,
I was just looking at a 390 on craigslist and they have a pic showing the balancer (without a pulley)?
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u...avan390002.jpg
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u...ick/390003.jpg
Is this a aftermarket balancer w/out a pulley?
Am I seeing things?
DickyDale
Hey Bill,
I was just looking at a 390 on craigslist and they have a pic showing the balancer (without a pulley)?
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u...avan390002.jpg
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u...ick/390003.jpg
Is this a aftermarket balancer w/out a pulley?
Am I seeing things?
DickyDale
The parts catalog shows the 1968/76 balancer (D2TZ6316A) with a pulley.
I do not have one of these later engines, so...either the picture Ford used in the parts catalog is of the earlier balancer, or...?
D2TZ6316A is obsolete, only one source has one. I suggest you call them and find out what it looks like.
HAVEN FORD SALES in Haven KS has it = 800-748-7803.
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I've had some early 62 406 balancers where the pulley is cast as the outer part of the balancer assy. Then it is bonded/vulcanized to the inner part of the balancer. Most of the later 64 427 and 66 and up 428 balancers have all had a bolt on pulley I've had. C8 and later D2 balancers the same. All the aftermarket balancers have bolt on pulleys as well. So in my experience (all cars) the balancers had all bolt on pulleys from 64 up. Perhaps there were some truck versions that were different? I dunno.
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I've had some early 62 406 balancers where the pulley is cast as the outer part of the balancer assy. Then it is bonded/vulcanized to the inner part of the balancer. Most of the later 64 427 and 66 and up 428 balancers have all had a bolt on pulley I've had. C8 and later D2 balancers the same. All the aftermarket balancers have bolt on pulleys as well. So in my experience (all cars) the balancers had all bolt on pulleys from 64 up. Perhaps there were some truck versions that were different? I dunno.