302 or 400?
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Clevite Main Bearings.......................................... ..........$ 36.47
Clevite Rod Bearing........................................... ............$ 32.90
Hastings Ring Set............................................... ...........$ 78.74
Badger Custom Hypereutectic Flat Top Pistons.(kit price).$ 150.00
ARP Rod Bolts............................................. ................$ 67.55
Dura-Bond Cam Bearing Set..........................................$ 16.97
Elgin Brass Expansion Plug Set......................................$ 7.95
Silver Seal 351M/400 Harmonic Balancer........................$ 86.98
Pioneer Flexplate......................................... ..................$ 37.76
Si Bronze Valve Guides-.502 OD Short Flange...............$ 79.25
Ferrea Ford 1.760' Exhaust Valves.................................$ 90.15
Ferrea Ford 2.190" Intake Valves...................................$ 95.65
Elgin RV9902 Valve Springs..........................................$ 108.00
Manley Retainer- Steel 1.437 7 Deg................................$ 45.60
Comp Cam ID Spring Seat............................................$ 32.00
Elgin Hardened Valve Locks - Pairs...............................$ 4.96
Australian Heads-Pair.............................................. ......$ 395.00
Melling Oil Pump.............................................. ............$ 48.98
Elgin Oil Pump Drive Shaft............................................$ 4.95
Federal-Mogul Kit Gasket Set........................................$ 51.74
Elgin Lifters........................................... .......................$ 50.84
Elgin True Roller Chain Set...........................................$ 51.62
Hastings Valve Stem Seal-.531" Guide...........................$ 24.00
Pioneer 335 Series Head Bolts.......................................$ 54.05
Pioneer 351M/400 Thrust Plate......................................$ 4.25
Angus Racing BBF 1.73-5/16 Pedestal Rocker Arm Kit..$ 277.08
Allstar 351C/351M/400 Fuel Pump-New.........................$ 74.61
Trans Adapt 351C Valve Covers....................................$ 58.23
NGK V Power Racing Plug............................................$ 19.28
Mr. Gasket 195 Degree Thermostat.................................$ 10.40
MSD Custom Wire Set............................................... ....$ 80.00
All Star Valve Cover Breathers (each)..............................$ 11.60
Elgin Water Pump- New............................................... ....$ 46.05
Comp Cam Camshaft-Grind #FC5433/5216H110.............$ 171.60
Kevko Racing Oil Pan and pick-up...................................$ 190.00
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Total $ 2595.21
As i said above labor prices such as assembly, resurfacing, inspection, and reconditioning are all subject to change of price from shop to shop making grand total anywhere from 3500-$4000.
As i said above labor prices such as assembly, resurfacing, inspection, and reconditioning are all subject to change of price from shop to shop making grand total anywhere from 3500-$4000.
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From: Oshkosh, WI
$2500 306
1500 heads
309.99 intake from jegs
269.99 cheapest holley dual feed 750 I could find at jegs
100. low balling cam because you were not specific in your post
So you paid for all your machine work, pistons, bearings, lifters, headers, and the list goes on for $320.02. Wow where do you shop?
-Johnboy
1500 heads
309.99 intake from jegs
269.99 cheapest holley dual feed 750 I could find at jegs
100. low balling cam because you were not specific in your post
So you paid for all your machine work, pistons, bearings, lifters, headers, and the list goes on for $320.02. Wow where do you shop?
-Johnboy
$1500 heads
Pistons were .030 over $400
machine work was $1000
I used the same carb, intake, rockers, cam and lifters and obviously the headers that I was running in my 302. So do I have to pay for that twice? If I go by your rules I guess so.....
I guess my point was......if you had a stock 87-93 mustang you could add that same 1500 set of heads, keep everything else the same......maybe add a different cam and be right where I was too. But we aren't talking about mustangs here we are talking about trucks.
So, what would you all change from stock on your 400m to make that same power intake to pan?
This is a good discussion.
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$2500 306
1500 heads
309.99 intake from jegs
269.99 cheapest holley dual feed 750 I could find at jegs
100. low balling cam because you were not specific in your post
So you paid for all your machine work, pistons, bearings, lifters, headers, and the list goes on for $320.02. Wow where do you shop?
-Johnboy
1500 heads
309.99 intake from jegs
269.99 cheapest holley dual feed 750 I could find at jegs
100. low balling cam because you were not specific in your post
So you paid for all your machine work, pistons, bearings, lifters, headers, and the list goes on for $320.02. Wow where do you shop?
-Johnboy
I just assumed he reused the stuff he had.
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If your refering to me concerning the heads, they are listed, Australian heads. In that build manifold, intake and carb were reused.
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We were talking total motor costs, some one else who wants to duplicate your engine they will have to buy all that stuff. The $4200 figure for the 400 was a total cost number yours was not. Don't really care what you had to start with. The price for the 400 was what it would cost to got from stock 400 to the one shown. Your price is no where near what it costs to go from stock 302 to the one you described. So if you take the prices I added up and add your pistons and machine work we get $3579.98. I am just trying to get a TOTAL build price.
-Johnboy
-Johnboy
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500 horse for $3500, ya right... It takes serious cash to make 500 horse I don't care what kind of engine you have... Maybe 350 horse for that kind of money...Just going off experience.
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MAn, if you made 500 hp with cast unported iron heads that is incredible!!!
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The intake, carb and headers would fall in the $2000 worth of parts he provided. This was just what I assumed any way I could be wrong. I am just trying to point out that building a 302 from stock isn't any cheaper than building a 400 from stock. If you reuse the stock heads then don't add them to the price, pretty much if it came on the motor from the factory and gets reused it doesn't count against the price. I just like the 400 because it isn't ungodly expensive to build and the 478lbs of torque at 2900 rpms looks real good for a truck, you won't get that torque that low with a naturally aspirated 302.
-Johnboy
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The intake, carb and headers would fall in the $2000 worth of parts he provided. This was just what I assumed any way I could be wrong. I am just trying to point out that building a 302 from stock isn't any cheaper than building a 400 from stock. If you reuse the stock heads then don't add them to the price, pretty much if it came on the motor from the factory and gets reused it doesn't count against the price. I just like the 400 because it isn't ungodly expensive to build and the 478lbs of torque at 2900 rpms looks real good for a truck, you won't get that torque that low with a naturally aspirated 302.
-Johnboy
-Johnboy
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Are you guys exceeding the speed limit? LOL I'm sure if you spend enough money you could superturbonitrousfy a 4 cylinder to go fast yada yada... Why not buy a crate V10 from Mopar and adapt it? or or Is budget an issue here and are we drag racing? Geez now I think I may need a Cobra 5.4 DOHC in my mustang now instead of my 4.6 SOHC. If you go smallblock, I'd root for getting a roller tappet cam from a newer 5.0.
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How much did it cost you and how much hp did you make?