I think that this product is the "Slick 50" of the 21st century.

 

In the interest of not getting this thread locked let's be cool with the critique at this point, and let the poll do the talking.

 

yes please guys, thats why I started a poll, plus I figured it woul be a good way to be anonamous (sp?).

in the words of lub. specialists "ROCK ON FELLAS"

 

Just my 2 cents. I used it last year with three injectors showing contribution codes. First dose helped but still had issues. When Chris found out he sent me another bottle no charge. Second dose cleaned up the injectors and smoothed out the engine. I bought a case. I now use half a bottle every other oil change at 7500 miles with Rotella synthetic.

04 Excursion EB
180,xxx miles Daily Driver
MBRP 4" Turbo back
SCT3/Old Spartan Tunes
18" Eagle alloys w/Mich
Old model Edge for digital gauges only
Patiently waiting for the new 6.0L Phalanx

 

For clarification. I cleared the codes. First bottle two came back. Second bottle no codes.

 

The product worked well for me. Very happy with it. I'll continue to use it as long as it is available.

 

Hi,

Just jumping in here to clarify..

Hot Shot's Secret is an additive anyone can use. It was designed and tested to fix stiction in the 6.0. That is one avenue if one is having injector issues or performance problems related to this.

The gentleman in our brochure is using a synthetic oil as well as the LARGE bypass system (500L) that we offer. He is NOT using Hot Shot's Secret, to clarify but one could always add that if they wanted.

The money back guarantee is offered with our product Hot Shot's Secret.

These are two totally different offerings.

The oil analysis proves one CAN go safely using the bypass system for 60K plus between changes without issues. If one is having their oil analyzed regularly there is no risk to the engine...that is the point of it. Furthermore we offer Blue Diamond, a pure synthetic (not blended)...that one could use too. We don't know what the interval limit would be using Blue Diamond. Maybe 100K...we have never tested it.

Now that I have clarified this...and there are some people on this thread who have sincerely asked...one can find more info at Lubrication Specialties | Diesel Motor Oil | Primrose Engine Oil | Fuel Additives | Oil Additives | Engine Restore|.

Feel free to email or call anytime.

Regards,
Dan

 

You keep on saying that, but I have yet to see anything from you or Chris that was tested on a 6.0. Everything from what I saw in your brochure or what has been sent to me personally has always been with the 7.3 engine(rather it's DI or IDI I can't tell, there is no year listed and I can't go by mileage because people put different amounts of mileage from one another).

I could care less about how it does with the 7.3, no offense to the 7.3 worshippers out there, but I could care less. You say it's been tested, where are the results. I'm not asking for company secrests here, I'm wanting to see results, not we'll send some off to the lap or anything like that. Y'all say that's already been tested, where are the results for the 6.0.

Is there any money back promise with the one that you have as a selling point being able to go 60k plus between oil changes? Because what I saw in the brochure(if you were to go back to my post in that thread) had some concerns with the so called testing of that product. I do understand the hurdles that y'all do have, but please, I demand alot if y'all expect me to buy something that can go 60k between oil changes on a rig that goes thru oil like nobody's business and considering I do already run a fully synthetic oil and it doesn't go 60k between changes.

Well since you put this in your post, I guess I'll do a rehash over my issues with that "testing". First off, the testing periods were erradict at best. You would have one test 2002, then 2003, then 2007 and finally 2008. Huge mileage gaps between testing that really didn't coincide with a 60k interval change roughly 26k between the first two, 220k between the second and third and then 62k(that one may fit) between the third and fourth testing. Now all of those figures were averages, if y'all were to go back to the original thread, I actually do have the actual differences stated in that post(next to last on that thread). I do not know the manner in which the samples were collected, I did take note that they said that there was more oxidation then normal in the analysis, to me that suggest a little more wear as I have only known oxidation to mean wear or use, I'm not an oil specialist so maybe it means something else. This was also on a 7.3, I don't know if it was a DI 7.3 or an IDI 7.3, which would also affect the outcome of the testing and how it wears or doesn't wear etc.

Like I said, you're hocking this in the 6.0 forum, I'm going to want to see results on a 6.0, not a 7.3.

I've looked there, otherwise I wouldn't be asking what I'm asking. I'm trying to keep an open mind, I really am(I know it doesn't seem like it, but I truly am), but I'm not getting what it takes to get me to go over to your side of things. I have asked numerous times for materials as they directly relate to the 6.0, not seen it. Supposedly y'all were sending stuff off, but I have yet to see it and both you and Chris have been on here numerous times and I'm pretty sure that you have seen my posts on here numerous times about this and still nothing, in fact, it usually gets ignored and trust me, I'm not the only one that wants to know, I get more PMs about this stuff then really anything else.

All the testimonials that y'all have, which is about the only thing that I can really rely on based on y'alls website, are wishy washy save one and even that one I do have a question about but neither you, Chris, or KRDiesel have answered it, dependant on that answer, KR's testimonial can either still be very good or be reduced to wishy washy as well.

Y'all make all these good claims(and claims that I want to believe, I really do) but I do not see the supporting data of testing on a 6.0. I might see those results and change my mind, but until I see testing done in a methodical manner with a 6.0, I'm more then likely going to still have questions as to how it does on a 6.0.

 

.................................so this stuff is mostly meant for vehicles that have injector issues????? Is there any benefit to using it on a truck that has NO issues, but just for preventative measures

 

Joe,

Yes. If you are concerned about injector stiction becoming an issue the product is designed to prevent that. Cured mine.

Off topic: Is that a Chaparral in your avatar?

 

i WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS THREAD STAY AS A POLL PLEASE!!!!

 

Hi Joe,

Good to hear from you.

Yes, the product was designed and tested and proven to clean up deposits that occur due to oil shearing and coking. This is quite common in the 6.0.

Performance issues can result from buildup over long periods of time. It is however not always noticeable until there is a major problem. For example sometimes people experience poor fuel mileage but don't associate that with a possible impending mechanical problem.

We have many customers who order from us and use 1/2 treatment at an oil change as a preventative.

The product was designed to correct the injector issue once it rears its head. But, yes, we encourage its usage as a preventative.

I hope that this helps!

Best Regards,
Dan

 

I was not aware that oil shearing caused oil deposits? Please explain???

Oil shears down under high heat and stress and the molecular structure of the oil just can not hold/bind together. Oils used in diesel motors are 5W-40 or 15W-40 (for the most part here in the US). This means that the base oil is either a 5 weight or a 15 weight with an additive package that makes it protect and work like a 40 weight when at operating temps. The high-pressure injection system used on the 6.0L motor just beats the heck out of the oil and "breaks down" the molecules in the additive from a 40 weight to that of a 30 weight (according to Blackstone Labs testing we all get done).

So... you make the comment that your "Hot Shot Additve" removes the deposits from shearing and coking???? I dispute your claim of "shearing" and I would like you to either correct your statement or prove to me and the forum on why I am wrong.

Coking now is another story.......

An example of this is when a hot motor and turbo is shut off and the bearings have not cooled down and then the lack of fresh/cool oil to lubricate them is missing... this is what builds up and is referred to "coking" when the "deposits" of this "cooked oil" are left behind.

Stiction in the injector is when cold or old oil makes the insides of the injector "stick" and not more or operate as smoothly as they should. This is also why synthetic motor oils are so popular (any brand) and used in the 6.0L. Synthetics are a "purer oil", cleaner and more refined than regular dino oil.... and can withstand higher heat!!!

I believe that using an API certified synthetic oil is the key to the 6.0L motor. I personally advise people to run synthetic oil for a full 5,000 mile oil change (and OEM Racor or Motorcraft oil filter) and see if anything improves first... and if not... continue to use... and then try Hotshot... but I think just the move to and continued use of synthetic is the key... not Hotshot additive!!!

Hot shot may work if someone used dino oil for too long in their truck and the coking and stiction issues became to prevalant... but that is open for a lot of speculation???

Please advise on the first part of my post about shearing.

Thanks,

Jeff

 

Watch it on what you get. Everything I've gotten from them has been "done" on a 7.3(DI or IDI I can't tell just by having mileage alone to go by), I have yet to see one document or test on a 6.0, despite what they say.

 

I am not interested on their testing and it really doesn't matter on what motor it was done on... to answer the challenge or question I posted above.

He makes the statement that their product will remove deposits due to shearing... and I dispute that (coking is another issue)... but for him to post that shearing causes deposits leads me to think that he does not know what he is talking about and is just trying to make his "additive" the cure-all to all things that affect the 6.0L motor.

The 7.3L motor (both versions) used a lot lower injection pressures and did not shear the oil down like the 6.0L and the new 6.4L. The use of oil to fire the injectors (like a hydrolic fluid - sp) is what beats the "heck" out of the oil.... not the use of the oil to lubricate the motor itself.

Deposits are by-products of poor air filtration, cooling system issues, oil blowing by rings or gaskets, fuel blow-by/dilution and the EGR system (yuk).... but the shearing of oil does not cause "deposits". From what I know about the shearing of oil... deposits are not left behind... but hey, I could be wrong and would like him to educate me or change my understanding of what I thought I knew.