I have been responding to a transmission service question a fellow had about his newer 5sp auto in a 6.0L and it would seem that from what is being posted that only 1 type of special sp fluid can be used and that you shoundnt use any additives there is whats called the Magnuson Moss warranty act from the fair trade commission that states that if a manufacuter requires only 1 specfic type of fluid can be used in order to comply with thier warranty that it has to be provided to the consumer "free of charge" Is this the case with this SP fluid?

 

A couple of peroids would be nice when you are posting. Run on sentences are a pain to read.

As for the warranty, the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act states the following which I assume Ford has taken care of:

Although tie-in sales provisions generally are not allowed, you can include such a provision in your warranty if you can demonstrate to the satisfaction of the FTC that your product will not work properly without a specified item or service. If you believe that this is the case, you should contact the warranty staff of the FTC's Bureau of Consumer Protection for information on how to apply for a waiver of the tie-in sales prohibition.

 

Yes...and please add a few "periods"! or peroids.

 

Magnuson Moss only goes so far. Let's say Ford calls for mercon ATF and you dump in 80/90w gear oil. Warranty won't be any good on the tranny then. Usually there is a spec to the fluid, and that specification must be followed. Other brands meeting the specification should be allowed, but depending on the spec, any additive should either meet the spec, or not bring the fluid out of spec to maintain any warranty.

Of course, if they can prove the fluid or additive was the cause of the failure, then you're out of luck as well.

 

I dont understand, WHY NOT JUST USE WHAT FORD CALLS FOR?????WTF!!!

 

maybe its to hard for you guys to read because of the punctuation. The point I am trying to make is that I am not saying not to use the SP fluid. What you seem to miss here is that if Ford requires it and only this type of oil for there warranty they have to give it to you. Free!!

 

Hah yeah periods not peroids. Duh!

backwoodsgoop, did you not read what I wrote? The Act clearly states that if they can prove that their product (5R100) will not function properly without the correct specified item (Mercon SP) then they can have a waiver of the tie-in. Furthermore, I don't see where in the act that it states they must give it to you for free. Where are you getting your information from?

If you apply your logic then you should be getting diesel fuel for free since we cleary can not put gasoline into our trucks as that would definately void the warranty.

 

I don't think so!. Buy the SP, you have to buy something anyway, right?

 

I am diriving my information from the Magnuson Moss warranty act . I guess I have to draw you the picture. Heres the senerio. You are fortunate enough to afford a new Ford truck. You purchase one and put it to work after a year or two you have about 35000 miles on it and you figure that you ought to change the transmission oil and filter. Like most guys you feel that you are capable to crawl under your truck and change the oil and filter in your tranny. Since a transmission service is not covered under warranty you dont feel like paying somebody to do a job thats within your capability.You do it yourself. Now this is where the Magnuson Moss warranty act comes in. If Ford tells you only the SP fluid is what you can use ,limits your options of your favorite oil, say you like amzoil than your stuck with SP stuff. It limits your options and other lubercant suppliers . That why it called Fair trade...get it you the consumer are entiled to this. Hopefully you can understand this. What I read was very plain english it was a small portion I am sure of the original litigation and its quite clear also you will not void your warranty if you use the lubegaurd additive . Its what I refer to as "snake oil" its actually dirived from whale blubber believe it or not and has a remarkable quality helping transmission oil from breaking down from heat! the archnemisis of the auto tranny.

 

I think the language is that if the only place you can ever possibly get a part/item is from the OEM, then he must furnish it to you at no charge.

As it stands now, Ford has licensing procures for others to make SP fluid. Currently, I've only seen Redline with a tranny fluid that meets the SP requirements. There may, of course, be more.

 

You're still ignoring the part about a Tie-In waiver that I posted twice now... so I'll post it again:

Although tie-in sales provisions generally are not allowed, you can include such a provision in your warranty if you can demonstrate to the satisfaction of the FTC that your product will not work properly without a specified item or service.

Can you copy and paste the portion of the act you are refering to?

 

Me?

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We are both correct.

The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act states, in part, in Title 15, United States Code, Section 2302, subdivision (c):
No warrantor of a consumer product may condition his written or implied warranty of such product on the consumer's using, in connection with such product, any article or service (other than article or service provided without charge under the terms of the warranty) which is identified by brand, trade, or corporate name; except that the prohibition of this subsection may be waived by the [Federal Trade] Commission if —

(1) the warrantor satisfies the Commission that the warranted product will function properly only if the article or service so identified is used in connection with the warranted product, and

(2) the Commission finds that such a waiver is in the public interest. The Commission shall identify in the Federal Register, and permit public comment on, all applications for waiver of the prohibition of this subsection, and shall publish in the Federal Register its disposition of any such application, including the reasons therefore.

Under this federal statute, a manufacturer who issues a warranty on your motor vehicle is prohibited from requiring you to use a service or maintenance item, unless such item is provided, free of charge, under your warranty(what I was talking about) or unless the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) waives this prohibition against the manufacturer. <--- What you're referring to.

Further, under the act, aftermarket equipment that improves performance does not automatically void a vehicle manufacturer's original warranty, unless the warranty clearly states the addition of aftermarket equipment automatically voids your vehicle's warranty, or if it can be proven that the aftermarket device is the direct cause of the failure.

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Bottom line: I'm sure Ford has their asses covered in more than one way.

 

not you, my post was directed to the OP.

It is clearly an out for Ford which I'm sure there lawyers have taken care of.

 

"YOU CAN LEAD A HORSE TO WATER BUT YOU CAN'T MAKE HIM DRINK" just go down to your local Ford dealer and see if you can get free tranny juice

 

I will post a copy of the info I am refering it may take a bit I am not that computer savy and do not have the scanner gizmo