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and how about this size cam what ya think bigger/smaller?
and how about this size cam what ya think bigger/smaller?
or the mechanical?
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no no no, that would be a poor choice, stock 2v heads are poor on the exauhst side, use a double pattern cam and even better an extreme energy which has a cool lift, by double pàttern i ment the exhaust lobe has a longer duration, try something like the extreme energy 256h if your are using stock crappy pistons, if you and you should go to high cr pistons use a more agresesive cam like the xe262h..
for high cr pistons : TMeyer, Inc. Precision Automotive Machining
for high cr pistons : TMeyer, Inc. Precision Automotive Machining
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no no no, that would be a poor choice, stock 2v heads are poor on the exauhst side, use a double pattern cam and even better an extreme energy which has a cool lift, by double pàttern i ment the exhaust lobe has a longer duration, try something like the extreme energy 256h if your are using stock crappy pistons, if you and you should go to high cr pistons use a more agresesive cam like the xe262h..
for high cr pistons : TMeyer, Inc. Precision Automotive Machining
for high cr pistons : TMeyer, Inc. Precision Automotive Machining
(not sure on size need to go to machine shop 1st.)
and can you send me a link to a good cam on summit?
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why dont you shop here : TMeyer, Inc. Precision Automotive Machining he has good prices and everything you need..
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why dont you shop here : TMeyer, Inc. Precision Automotive Machining he has good prices and everything you need..
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Hollenjoe is giving you some good advise, I've used Tim Meyer for my internal engine parts on a 351M and he will offer his expert suggestions for your particular use for this build. I know from personal experience that he will go out of his way to help you with your decision. I didn't like the grind on a crank a supplier had sent me, so Tim found one that would satisfy me and my machinist and had it shipped right away.
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Summit and Jegs are both good companies for common parts but forget it when it comes to buying parts for B-O-P, Caddy, FE, or 351C/400s. There are lots of small companies that specialize in these less common engines. Tim Meyer INC is the ONLY guy to trust for a 351M/400 build. His prices are competitive and his service is top notch. Plus, you will get personalized service unlike Summit/Jegs with whom you are just one of thousands of daily customers.
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I agree with this IF you are limited exclusively to online information. But I found a guy
locally who's been building performance-oriented Ford engines for decades and who
knows his stuff equally well, he runs a shop he calls Blue Oval Performance Engineering.
I've found that most of these guys don't advertise their services, they rely on word of
mouth & local reputation. Local sports car clubs, 4x4 clubs, things of that nature are a
great place to learn of 'em.
I also agree that the mass-market retailers are NOT the best places to go to get much of
anything useful for these engines.
-ct
locally who's been building performance-oriented Ford engines for decades and who
knows his stuff equally well, he runs a shop he calls Blue Oval Performance Engineering.
I've found that most of these guys don't advertise their services, they rely on word of
mouth & local reputation. Local sports car clubs, 4x4 clubs, things of that nature are a
great place to learn of 'em.
I also agree that the mass-market retailers are NOT the best places to go to get much of
anything useful for these engines.
-ct
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I agree with this IF you are limited exclusively to online information. But I found a guy
locally who's been building performance-oriented Ford engines for decades and who
knows his stuff equally well, he runs a shop he calls Blue Oval Performance Engineering.
I've found that most of these guys don't advertise their services, they rely on word of
mouth & local reputation. Local sports car clubs, 4x4 clubs, things of that nature are a
great place to learn of 'em.
I also agree that the mass-market retailers are NOT the best places to go to get much of
anything useful for these engines.
-ct
locally who's been building performance-oriented Ford engines for decades and who
knows his stuff equally well, he runs a shop he calls Blue Oval Performance Engineering.
I've found that most of these guys don't advertise their services, they rely on word of
mouth & local reputation. Local sports car clubs, 4x4 clubs, things of that nature are a
great place to learn of 'em.
I also agree that the mass-market retailers are NOT the best places to go to get much of
anything useful for these engines.
-ct
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My builder & Tim know each other in a casual way, I getthe sense that these professional engine builder guys are a small group, a small clique,
and they all know (or at least know OF) each other. And, yes, Tim has Keith Black make
some custom pistons for him which he sells under his own brand name, and I've got
those pistons in the 400 I rebuilt last summer.
Not trying to discount TMI at all, that's not my intention. I think the gist of what we're
saying is that there are much better places to be getting parts & information for these
engines than the mass-market retailers.
-ct
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On a side note, I know that with just standard upgrades done during a rebuild (4v carb, DP intake, minor port work, bumped compression, and better cam) these 400 engines unleash tons of previously untapped power. This is what I plan on doing to a 400 I'll be doing in some few months, and I do plan on using TMeyers shop. His shop is 240 miles from where I live so I plan on just chatting with him then driving my block and crank up there and having him do it. But I'm curious, you guys that have already done this, how does the stock clutch hold up? Do you guys upgrade to centerforce components? Or just use a stock pressure plate with a better disk? Thanks
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I used the Borg Warner (Perfection Clutch) Brute Power variant based on a
recommendation of a Ford mechanic, I haven't had any problems yet (although I've got only
2,000 miles on my rebuild).
recommendation of a Ford mechanic, I haven't had any problems yet (although I've got only
2,000 miles on my rebuild).
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Thanks ctubutis. That's just the kind of recommendation I was looking for. I'm undecided about headers because I want durability in hard use scenarios. So I will either keep the stock logs or use hedman elite series headers. Which are $300 a pair, plus the cost of new plumbing aft of the headers. Thus the undecided part.
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