Notices

Fire

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old May 3, 2009 | 02:56 PM
  #1  
Tom D's Avatar
Tom D
Thread Starter
|
Elder User
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 621
Likes: 1
From: Near the ocean
Fire

Now that I have your attention, I'll tell you a stupid mistake I made that almost cost me a lot of damage.
I have processed approx 25-30 batches of BD using the "open barrel" method. I always make 40 gals at a time (8-5gal buckets) with room to put 7.5 gal of methanol in the mix. Somehow I lost count of how much I put in and ended up with 45 gal (9 buckets) of WVO in the barrel. I then put the 7.5 gal of methanol using the direct injection method with a tube into the bottom of the tank. The top of the barrel was closed at this point so I had no idea I was overfilling. I also had the external heat element on to keep the temp at 140F. The mixture started leaking out the hole at the top of the barrel where the mixer shaft enters and ran down the outside and contacted with the heat element. FIRE... I pulled the electrical power and luckily had a extinguisher handy. My control panel was damaged but nothing further. If I had not heeded Don's (Fabman) suggestion to inject nitrogen into the mix tank during and after injecting the Methanol, I have no doubt that the whole 40+ gallons of mix would have gone up big time. The only part that burned was the fuel as it ran out of the barrel. (Not onough oxygen in the barrel to support combustion)
Moral of the story. I don't care how many batches you made and how routine it becomes. PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT YOU ARE DOING, DO NOT LEAVE UNATTENDED, KEEP EXTINGUISHER NEARBY, EXPECT THE WORST IT MAY HAPPEN.
Thank you Don for steering me to the safe way.
Tom
 
Reply
Old May 3, 2009 | 03:35 PM
  #2  
fabmandelux's Avatar
fabmandelux
Post Fiend
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 26,337
Likes: 12
From: Paradise Found!
Wow, you sure got my attention! Glad everything came out OK............I remember my first fire. I was draining the mix tank, and the light that showed the heating element status was off ( bad bulb). When the oil level dropped to the element level, instant fire! That's when I went back to the drawing board and changed over to an external heating system. We all MUST remember that we work with dangerous chemicals, and the potential for fire. How's the blood pressure Tom???
 
Reply
Old May 3, 2009 | 05:33 PM
  #3  
cookie88's Avatar
cookie88
FTE Leadership Emeritus
20 Year Member
Liked
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 13,653
Likes: 6
From: Cabot, Arkansas
FTE Emeritus
How's the blood pressure Tom???
I'll bet it's still a little elevated.....along with the adrenaline level.

Glad you were on top of it Tom. That could have been quite ugly.
 
Reply
Old May 3, 2009 | 07:09 PM
  #4  
Tom D's Avatar
Tom D
Thread Starter
|
Elder User
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 621
Likes: 1
From: Near the ocean
Originally Posted by fabmandelux
Wow, you sure got my attention! Glad everything came out OK............I remember my first fire. I was draining the mix tank, and the light that showed the heating element status was off ( bad bulb). When the oil level dropped to the element level, instant fire! That's when I went back to the drawing board and changed over to an external heating system. We all MUST remember that we work with dangerous chemicals, and the potential for fire. How's the blood pressure Tom???
The flames were licking up the side of the mix barrel and getting bigger. I must admit the fire extinguisher was not readily available. I had to run 100 ft each way for it. While running all I could think of was the mix barrel going up with 40+ gallons of meoh/WVO in it. My heart was REALLY pumping when I got back. I used so much powder, you couldn't even make out the side of the processor. I have learned my lesson and I hope I inspired all our BD friends on this net to be VERY careful.
 
Reply
Old May 3, 2009 | 07:38 PM
  #5  
fabmandelux's Avatar
fabmandelux
Post Fiend
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 26,337
Likes: 12
From: Paradise Found!
Some of my Budd's think I'm paranoid when it comes to fire............All my tanks use a "nitrogen-Blanket" to keep oxygen out, air powered pumps, and I have 8 fire extinguishers within easy reach! Did your wife see this happen?
 
Reply
Old May 4, 2009 | 11:38 AM
  #6  
Fett Affen's Avatar
Fett Affen
Freshman User
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 39
Likes: 0
From: Yucaipa, CA.
Searched for nitrogen blanket, could not find. Please explain. Thank you.
 
Reply
Old May 4, 2009 | 02:06 PM
  #7  
fabmandelux's Avatar
fabmandelux
Post Fiend
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 26,337
Likes: 12
From: Paradise Found!
A Nitrogen blanket is simply using Nitrogen Gas in place of Oxygen in your tanks. 0 Oxygen = No possibility of fire or explosion. By using Nitrogen you also avoid oxidation of the biodiesel.
 
Reply
Old May 4, 2009 | 03:26 PM
  #8  
Fett Affen's Avatar
Fett Affen
Freshman User
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 39
Likes: 0
From: Yucaipa, CA.
So, my understanding of this is that you inject nitrogen into what? If the nitrogen displaces the oxygen, is it heavier than air? Do you do this in your heating drum?, your processor?, your storage drums?, is your processor an appleseed? Lots of questions about this.
 
Reply
FTE Stories

Ford Trucks for Ford Truck Enthusiasts

story-0

Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

 Verdad Gallardo
story-1

10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

 Joe Kucinski
story-2

2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

 Brett Foote
story-3

2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-4

10 Most Surprising 2026 Ford Truck Features!

 Joe Kucinski
story-5

Top 10 Ford Trucks Coming to Mecum Indy 2026

 Brett Foote
story-6

5 Best / 5 Worst Ford Truck Wheels of All Time

 Joe Kucinski
story-7

Ford Super Duty: 5 Things Owners LOVE, 5 Things They LOATHE!

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

Every 2026 Ford Truck Engine RANKED from WORST to FIRST!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-9

The Best F-150 Deal of Every Trim Level (XL through Raptor)

 Joe Kucinski
Old May 4, 2009 | 07:17 PM
  #9  
fabmandelux's Avatar
fabmandelux
Post Fiend
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 26,337
Likes: 12
From: Paradise Found!
Originally Posted by Fett Affen
So, my understanding of this is that you inject nitrogen into what? If the nitrogen displaces the oxygen, is it heavier than air? Do you do this in your heating drum?, your processor?, your storage drums?, is your processor an appleseed? Lots of questions about this.
I use Nitrogen in my whole system. All tanks, My processor ( not an apple seed style), even my steel plumbing gets purged with it. I use only air powered diaphragm pumps to transfer all fluids. My tanks ( including the processor) are all heated from OUTSIDE the tank. No electrical heating elements are submerged in any fluid. Safety is my main concern, then quality control of the finished Bio. I also use the Magnesol dry wash system instead of water washing.
 
Reply
Old May 4, 2009 | 07:21 PM
  #10  
Tom D's Avatar
Tom D
Thread Starter
|
Elder User
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 621
Likes: 1
From: Near the ocean
Originally Posted by fabmandelux
Some of my Budd's think I'm paranoid when it comes to fire............All my tanks use a "nitrogen-Blanket" to keep oxygen out, air powered pumps, and I have 8 fire extinguishers within easy reach! Did your wife see this happen?
Fortunately I had moved the processor to my friends commercial warehouse (I built it on a trailer). If not, you would still hear her yapping about that. She doesn't even know.
I don't have a flow meter for injecting nitrogen into the vapor chamber but I put the liquid tube from the bottom of the condensor in a bottle and turn on just enough to make it bubble. I don't know if by doing that, I am "forcing" the methanol out the condensor before it has a chance to condense. I'm running about 125-150 lbs on "your" vaporizer. Afraid with those pressures and 180F that I MUST inject nitrogen into the chamber to prevent explosion. Do you think 5/16 tubing is large enough for a condensor line ? No doubt you are following the chats between Phydeaux and myself. You know what kind of vaporizer and condensor I have so if you can add anything to the conversation I would appreciate it. I know Troy (KennedyFord) has your system and it works for him. I must be missing something.
 
Reply
Old May 4, 2009 | 11:24 PM
  #11  
Fett Affen's Avatar
Fett Affen
Freshman User
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 39
Likes: 0
From: Yucaipa, CA.
I am assuming that your system is a closed loop system. Do you have a picture of your system on this site?
 
Reply




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:53 AM.

story-0
Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

Slideshow: Ford's bizarre fishing-themed Explorer concept has resurfaced after spending decades largely forgotten.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:07:46


VIEW MORE
story-1
10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

Slideshow: The 10 best Ford truck engines we miss the most.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 13:09:47


VIEW MORE
story-2
2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

Slideshow: first look at the 810 hp 2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road!

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-12 12:50:07


VIEW MORE
story-3
2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

Slideshow: Everything You Need to Know about the 2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-07 17:51:06


VIEW MORE
story-4
10 Most Surprising 2026 Ford Truck Features!

Slideshow: 10 most surprising Ford truck options/features in 2026.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-05 11:17:22


VIEW MORE
story-5
Top 10 Ford Trucks Coming to Mecum Indy 2026

Slideshow: Here are the top 10 Fords coming to Mecum Indy 2026.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-04 13:49:49


VIEW MORE
story-6
5 Best / 5 Worst Ford Truck Wheels of All Time

Slideshow: The 5 best and 5 worst Ford truck wheels of all time

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-29 16:49:01


VIEW MORE
story-7
Ford Super Duty: 5 Things Owners LOVE, 5 Things They LOATHE!

Slideshow: Ranking the 5 things owners love about their Super Duty and 5 things they don't

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-29 16:36:49


VIEW MORE
story-8
Every 2026 Ford Truck Engine RANKED from WORST to FIRST!

Slideshow: Ranking all 12 Ford truck engines available in 2026.

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-22 13:32:20


VIEW MORE
story-9
The Best F-150 Deal of Every Trim Level (XL through Raptor)

Slideshow: The best Ford F-150 deal for every trim level (XL through Raptor)

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-21 15:59:01


VIEW MORE