what winch for me?
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what winch for me?
Newbie here. My plow truck crapped out last season so for this year I got a 2003 f350 diesel. My plan was to get a winch to help me log my back 10 acres of woods. Not the easiest place to get the truck into so I want a real long winch cable. Seems to me on what ive done so far is that warn is the way to go. Since yesterday I stuck it in 10 inch deep jello clay mud and the tow guy that aaa sent couldnt reach me..... my winch plans have really been moved up.. Figure most of the work will be wood and to pull myself when stuck. Gonna go with trailer hitch mount. Any one done wood fetchin and have any advise for me. Also I DONT REALLY UNDERSTAND HOW THE SHACKLES DOUBLE YOUR PULLING CAPACITY CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN? also anyone know how to cheaply put it on front of vehicle in case i need to pull myself forward. Couldnt i rig up a plate that attaches to my plow frame hookup for temporary summer use? sorry so many questions enlighten me
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welcome to this wonderful place!
first off, you need to do some reading. i know you understand some basics but you have a little more to go before you should attempt to operate a winch (esp with a heavy truck like that)... at least safely! i strongly suggest you at the very least skim through Billa's article:
http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/Recovery/
you also need to read this here which explains the ****** block theory:
http://www.dodgepowerwagon.com/glovebox/******.html
now my suggestion is a Warn 8274-50. they have the fastest unloaded line speed but they pull very strong when loaded. add a ****** block to double or even triple your pulling advantage (that winch can tug 24K lbs!). with this being said your truck and attach points need to be in the very least up to par.... they really need to be overkill!
theres a lot to be said first before you go pull for your first time, but reading those articles will really help. i just dont want to see anyone get hurt when it could have been prevented!
-cutts-
first off, you need to do some reading. i know you understand some basics but you have a little more to go before you should attempt to operate a winch (esp with a heavy truck like that)... at least safely! i strongly suggest you at the very least skim through Billa's article:
http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/Recovery/
you also need to read this here which explains the ****** block theory:
http://www.dodgepowerwagon.com/glovebox/******.html
now my suggestion is a Warn 8274-50. they have the fastest unloaded line speed but they pull very strong when loaded. add a ****** block to double or even triple your pulling advantage (that winch can tug 24K lbs!). with this being said your truck and attach points need to be in the very least up to par.... they really need to be overkill!
theres a lot to be said first before you go pull for your first time, but reading those articles will really help. i just dont want to see anyone get hurt when it could have been prevented!
-cutts-
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welcome to this wonderful place!
first off, you need to do some reading. i know you understand some basics but you have a little more to go before you should attempt to operate a winch (esp with a heavy truck like that)... at least safely! i strongly suggest you at the very least skim through Billa's article:
Pirate4x4.Com - Extreme Four Wheel Drive
you also need to read this here which explains the ****** block theory:
****** Block Basics
now my suggestion is a Warn 8274-50. they have the fastest unloaded line speed but they pull very strong when loaded. add a ****** block to double or even triple your pulling advantage (that winch can tug 24K lbs!). with this being said your truck and attach points need to be in the very least up to par.... they really need to be overkill!
theres a lot to be said first before you go pull for your first time, but reading those articles will really help. i just dont want to see anyone get hurt when it could have been prevented!
-cutts-
first off, you need to do some reading. i know you understand some basics but you have a little more to go before you should attempt to operate a winch (esp with a heavy truck like that)... at least safely! i strongly suggest you at the very least skim through Billa's article:
Pirate4x4.Com - Extreme Four Wheel Drive
you also need to read this here which explains the ****** block theory:
****** Block Basics
now my suggestion is a Warn 8274-50. they have the fastest unloaded line speed but they pull very strong when loaded. add a ****** block to double or even triple your pulling advantage (that winch can tug 24K lbs!). with this being said your truck and attach points need to be in the very least up to par.... they really need to be overkill!
theres a lot to be said first before you go pull for your first time, but reading those articles will really help. i just dont want to see anyone get hurt when it could have been prevented!
-cutts-
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for your needs you would be better served by a worm gear style winch.
the only thing the 8274 has going for it is it is fast for an electric.
it uses an external friction brake, which is not as reliable as a worm gear (pretty much nothing else is)
warn abandoned the worm style as it is higher in friction and slower which is hard on batteries
an older warm m10 or m12 can be found used they were the last of the warn wormdrives
ramsey made their big winches worm for longer then warn did
the old Tulsa's were worm style
the only thing the 8274 has going for it is it is fast for an electric.
it uses an external friction brake, which is not as reliable as a worm gear (pretty much nothing else is)
warn abandoned the worm style as it is higher in friction and slower which is hard on batteries
an older warm m10 or m12 can be found used they were the last of the warn wormdrives
ramsey made their big winches worm for longer then warn did
the old Tulsa's were worm style
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for your needs you would be better served by a worm gear style winch.
the only thing the 8274 has going for it is it is fast for an electric.
it uses an external friction brake, which is not as reliable as a worm gear (pretty much nothing else is)
warn abandoned the worm style as it is higher in friction and slower which is hard on batteries
an older warm m10 or m12 can be found used they were the last of the warn wormdrives
ramsey made their big winches worm for longer then warn did
the old Tulsa's were worm style
the only thing the 8274 has going for it is it is fast for an electric.
it uses an external friction brake, which is not as reliable as a worm gear (pretty much nothing else is)
warn abandoned the worm style as it is higher in friction and slower which is hard on batteries
an older warm m10 or m12 can be found used they were the last of the warn wormdrives
ramsey made their big winches worm for longer then warn did
the old Tulsa's were worm style
Ive owned/own and use the Warn 8274,along with a Warn M8000 planetary,and i also have or had a couple Ramsey 8000 lb Worm gear winches,an RE 10000,and 3 of the 8000 lb. Ramsey PTO winches,and other than the pull all day utility of the PTO's,im very impressed with the 8274's.
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Its not necessarily unsafe! using a winch within your hitches towing capacity,and for straight or nearly straight pulls should be perfectly safe,assuming you follow all the other winch safety rules.
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Exactly. I should have elaborated on that a little more. Don't use a 12k winch on a 5k rated hitch. Good winch bumpers slide into the frame and are made for the loads.
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I just got the Champion Power Equipment 10,000lbs winch from Costco for 553$ Canadian dollars taxes in. Over in western Canada you can walk away with one for 399+ tax. Don't know if you guys got Costco in the states.
Looks nice. Feels real from the amount it weighs and it quite weatherproof. Comes with a nice ****** block and a hitch mount receiver but unfortunately not enough wire. Figure ill run 2 or three 10GA wire back as I have a couple thousand feet of that. My hitch is rated for 6K but for now I know I'm not going to get that stuck. Once I get some money it's going on the front and hell, for another 550$ I think I'm gonna get one for the back.
Looks nice. Feels real from the amount it weighs and it quite weatherproof. Comes with a nice ****** block and a hitch mount receiver but unfortunately not enough wire. Figure ill run 2 or three 10GA wire back as I have a couple thousand feet of that. My hitch is rated for 6K but for now I know I'm not going to get that stuck. Once I get some money it's going on the front and hell, for another 550$ I think I'm gonna get one for the back.
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I just got the Champion Power Equipment 10,000lbs winch from Costco for 553$ Canadian dollars taxes in. Over in western Canada you can walk away with one for 399+ tax. Don't know if you guys got Costco in the states.
Looks nice. Feels real from the amount it weighs and it quite weatherproof. Comes with a nice ****** block and a hitch mount receiver but unfortunately not enough wire. Figure ill run 2 or three 10GA wire back as I have a couple thousand feet of that. My hitch is rated for 6K but for now I know I'm not going to get that stuck. Once I get some money it's going on the front and hell, for another 550$ I think I'm gonna get one for the back.
Looks nice. Feels real from the amount it weighs and it quite weatherproof. Comes with a nice ****** block and a hitch mount receiver but unfortunately not enough wire. Figure ill run 2 or three 10GA wire back as I have a couple thousand feet of that. My hitch is rated for 6K but for now I know I'm not going to get that stuck. Once I get some money it's going on the front and hell, for another 550$ I think I'm gonna get one for the back.
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So the price of the 8274-50 is more than i really want to part with. I found an m12000 on craigslist for 500. Sounds like a sweet deal. Would I be that unhappy with a m12000. I want it to be an all arround winch for pulling my truck when stuck and the logging. The m12000's 125 foot wire seems like enough for me. Seems like to me if im logging with it i would get three or four logs downed together in a grouping and use multiple log chains and attach them to the winch wire then pull all at once. I wouldnt be that worried about the speed. This way also the winch would have some time to cool down while i buck up the logs and load them up. Anyone have any advice on buying used. What signs to look for that something could be worn out or ready to fail.... If its off of the vehicle to make it work all u need to do is hook it to a battery right. Would you have to also ground it. I want to see it in action... Also want to seem like i know what im talking about...(lol)
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So the price of the 8274-50 is more than i really want to part with. I found an m12000 on craigslist for 500. Sounds like a sweet deal. Would I be that unhappy with a m12000. I want it to be an all arround winch for pulling my truck when stuck and the logging. The m12000's 125 foot wire seems like enough for me. Seems like to me if im logging with it i would get three or four logs downed together in a grouping and use multiple log chains and attach them to the winch wire then pull all at once. I wouldnt be that worried about the speed. This way also the winch would have some time to cool down while i buck up the logs and load them up. Anyone have any advice on buying used. What signs to look for that something could be worn out or ready to fail.... If its off of the vehicle to make it work all u need to do is hook it to a battery right. Would you have to also ground it. I want to see it in action... Also want to seem like i know what im talking about...(lol)
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Almost forgot Woody,the M12000 is not at all suitable for a receiver hitch type temporary mount.....way too much pull power! Ive got two hitch mount winches,a Warn M8000 and a Ramsey QM5000,and of all my trucks,i will only probably use the Warn on the Dodge,as its got a class IV rec hitch,which i recall gives it a 7500 lb rating,plus its by far the heaviest truck i own. THe hitch on the Chevy looks pretty beefy,but it is also an obviously modified/fabricated hitch,rather than a factory made one,and the hitch on the rear of the F250 isnt a super heavy duty one,so the Ford will only get used with the Ramsey 5000 lb winch,and the juries still out on the Chevy
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if and when i temporarily put it on a hitch mount i would only be using it to pull logs. I would be fine doing just that and not extricating myself using the hitch right? Are there any low cost alternatives up front to hook it to for heavy pulling? Or for that matter any low cost alternatives in the rear for heavy pulling. My buddy works at a machine shop so he could probably rig up something. Would it attach to the frame in the back somehow that is the best bet right?