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Old Mar 12, 2009 | 10:17 PM
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Power Steering

My 77 f150 has power steering but i cant stand it,,i have no feel for the road, of course you get that with a 34 year old truck, but what can i do so i dont have to turn the wheel like 6 times to get into the next lane,,can i change the geearing or do i have to upgrade the whole setup?
 
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Old Mar 12, 2009 | 11:05 PM
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Sounds like you have a loose front end rather than a dead power steering...?
 
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Old Mar 12, 2009 | 11:14 PM
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i had the drag links, tie rods, all the bushings replaced, and aligned
 
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Old Mar 12, 2009 | 11:29 PM
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Is yours a 4WD? Check the track bar...the holes get elongated over time.
 
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Old Mar 12, 2009 | 11:44 PM
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nope its a 2wd,,i should have posted that when i started the thread,,my bad
 
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Old Mar 13, 2009 | 12:51 AM
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Have you checked the steering shaft for play? Rag joints or u joints?

How is the box adjustment itself?

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Old Mar 13, 2009 | 02:35 PM
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Check the rag joint. I am amazed at how many people never look at these. If you have ever had one fail on you, trust me you will check it. they are made of rubber and some other stuff, and just ware out over time. Also fix it correctly, don't use sub grade bolts. I had one fail at 60 miles an hour. Let me tell you it was not fun. I was pulling seat cushion out of my butt for weeks afterwords.
 
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Old Mar 13, 2009 | 03:34 PM
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D5TZ3A525A .. Steering Coupling (rag joint) / Still available from Ford.

Fits: 1975/77 F100/250 2WD/4WD with P/S, 1975/77 F350 with P/S.

MSRP: $88.18 // FTEpartsguy.com price: $63.49.
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6 turns lock to lock is excessive, but I would not mess with the P/S gearbox adjustment nut.

That only sets the preload on the sector shaft, when peeps tighten up that nut, that usually makes matters much worse.

If the gearbox has excessive play, buying a "rebuilt" is a waste of time and money, because it will only last a year or so...then it will be time for another.

Rebuilt Ford P/S gear boxes are not really "rebuilt" at all, because there are no parts available to rebuild them. ONLY the seals are replaced.

Read what is says about the awful Ford P/S boxes here: RedHeadSteeringGears.com.

btw: There are no U-joints on 2WD steering shafts. 1966/75 4WD's only.
 
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Old Mar 13, 2009 | 04:39 PM
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so the rag joint is the joint that connects the cloumn to the steer shaft correct?
 
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Old Mar 13, 2009 | 05:17 PM
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Correct, its located right underneath the master cylinder, I replaced mine a month ago. Got it at parts plus in town, 30 bucks I think. Also when I bought my truck 2 years ago, it had a similar problem as yours does with the lose steering, despite what ND says my dad adjusted the steering gear box nut, and it tightned up the steering alot. That was two years ago and I don't have any problems with the steering, I didn't neen to replace the rag joint actually, the bolts just got lose, so I whent ahead and replaced it, though the old one was still in decent shape.
 
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Originally Posted by Ranger76
Correct, its located right underneath the master cylinder, I replaced mine a month ago. Got it at parts plus in town, 30 bucks I think. Also when I bought my truck 2 years ago, it had a similar problem as yours does with the lose steering, despite what ND says my dad adjusted the steering gear box nut, and it tightned up the steering alot. That was two years ago and I don't have any problems with the steering, I didn't neen to replace the rag joint actually, the bolts just got lose, so I whent ahead and replaced it, though the old one was still in decent shape.
were is the steering gear box nut located?
 
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Old Mar 13, 2009 | 05:34 PM
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on top of it towards the back of the box. it is a nut with a an adjustable bolt that is slotted to use a screwdriver. its adjusted in the same way you would adjust a valve on a cylinder head.
 
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Originally Posted by Ranger76
Also when I bought my truck 2 years ago, it had a similar problem as yours does with the loose steering.

despite what ND says my dad adjusted the steering gear box nut, and it tightned up the steering a lot.
I quoted what Ford shop manuals say NOT to do, and many members here will tell you the same thing.

Go ahead and tighten that puppy up...but don't blame me if the gearbox locks up tight.
 
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Old Mar 13, 2009 | 06:43 PM
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That doesn't mean that it might have worked itself lose over the years. Like I said my dad did it, and it works fine, but he didn't crank it down all the ethier. Now that I think about it mine was a little loose. But, my dad has been a mechanic for over 40 years and has had 4 race cars in the 70s, so stuff like that I leave it to him and what he says. Everything else on the truck I take care of it.
 
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Old Mar 13, 2009 | 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Ranger76
That doesn't mean that it might have worked itself lose over the years. Like I said my dad did it, and it works fine, but he didn't crank it down all the ethier. Now that I think about it mine was a little loose. But, my dad has been a mechanic for over 40 years and has had 4 race cars in the 70s, so stuff like that I leave it to him and what he says. Everything else on the truck I take care of it.
How many LTD (Crown Vics) or Merc Grand Marquis from 1965 thru 2002, or 1969/96 Ford trucks has you dad owned?

One can be the most experienced mechanic on the planet, but if he has little or no experience with these P/S gearboxes, and had success tightning up that nut...I'd say he was very lucky.

Most peeps here on FTE complain about the fact when they did fiddle with that nut...either the box locked up tight, or the play is much worse than before.
 
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