Notices
1987 - 1996 F150 & Larger F-Series Trucks 1987 - 1996 Ford F-150, F-250, F-350 and larger pickups - including the 1997 heavy-duty F250/F350+ trucks
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Timing Issue I think

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #1  
Old 03-12-2009, 07:54 AM
Crabby144's Avatar
Crabby144
Crabby144 is offline
Senior User
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 275
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Timing Issue I think

Ok, I have a 87 F-150 that I put a 89 460 EFI motor in. The truck runs great when it's cool. If I drive it around it seems to lose power. I can drive into town and when I go to start it up it cranks hard (like battery dead) or sometimes it will start but seems like it's not picking up enough fuel, just kinda putters. Try to start it 3 or 4 times and it starts. I checked timing with spout connecter out and it's set. I did this before we checked the timing and it was off. Now with is set where it needs to be it's still doing the same thing just not as bad. Seems to me it's not advancing. Like I said it runs really good when I first take it down the road. Then the temp comes up and it doesn't have the same power. Could the distributer be bad or the module on the side of the distributer be bad. What do you all think?
 
  #2  
Old 03-12-2009, 08:03 AM
Lazy K's Avatar
Lazy K
Lazy K is offline
Post Fiend
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 8,402
Likes: 0
Received 7 Likes on 7 Posts
Could be a temperature sensor problem or an EGR valve problem or possibly a fuel pressure problem, however I am not an EFI expert. I assume plugs, wires, fuel filter etc. are good? Have you pulled the codes, sometimes these can be a help in finding out what`s wrong.
 
  #3  
Old 03-12-2009, 08:11 AM
Crabby144's Avatar
Crabby144
Crabby144 is offline
Senior User
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 275
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Usually the scanner won't read older fords because there not OBD2. Fuel pressure is good checked that, new pump, filter, injectors, wires, and plugs everything is new, EGR shouldn't be bad, and usually if i remember right they will make it run rich. I still may put the scanner on it should read and tell me about the EGR not working.
 
  #4  
Old 03-12-2009, 08:24 AM
lew52's Avatar
lew52
lew52 is offline
Postmaster
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 4,558
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
You said you checked the timing.. How far was it off...If it was really off that could be a sign of wear ..An easy way to check is take off distributer cap and turn the crank with a wrench and see that it does then turn it back the other way when you turn back see how far you have to turn it to get the rotor to turn....This will tell you how much play you have ...That will tell you if you have a timing chain or distributer gear problem...Lew
 
  #5  
Old 03-12-2009, 08:32 AM
Crabby144's Avatar
Crabby144
Crabby144 is offline
Senior User
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 275
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
The timing chain and gears are new. I used a crappy timing light that my father in law had and thought it was set, my friend used his good snap on light and it was 15 degrees advanced. The only thing i haven't replaced was the distributer. I will try taking the cap off and checking it with the crank, a few people i have talked to says it sounds like distributer. so i don't know. it's abou the only thing i could be
 
  #6  
Old 03-12-2009, 08:39 AM
Lazy K's Avatar
Lazy K
Lazy K is offline
Post Fiend
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 8,402
Likes: 0
Received 7 Likes on 7 Posts
Originally Posted by Crabby144
Usually the scanner won't read older fords because there not OBD2. Fuel pressure is good checked that, new pump, filter, injectors, wires, and plugs everything is new, EGR shouldn't be bad, and usually if i remember right they will make it run rich. I still may put the scanner on it should read and tell me about the EGR not working.
Your truck is OBD1. If you have not got an OBD1 code reader you can easily pull the codes with just a paperclip. Go to fordfuelinjection.com and click on the Self Test instructions.
The EGR valve feeds exhaust gasses into the intake manifold, if it does this at the wrong the engine will run bad.
Are you confident you have no exhaust flow restriction?
 
  #7  
Old 03-12-2009, 08:48 AM
Crabby144's Avatar
Crabby144
Crabby144 is offline
Senior User
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 275
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Buddy of mine had the Snap on solus scanner so can us it for OBD1. It just hard to get anyone to come and scan it because they don' t want to and they say it pointless. I have a guy here at work that has the same scanner and is going to look at it. Maybe the EGR is bad, I don't think i have exhause restriction, I might though, sounds to good. It's just wierd after it gets up to temp is when it acts up. Heck we did a 347 stroker for a mustang and used a EGR block off. Didn't seem to affect it any. and the one i had on my 302 that was in the truck didn't work either. never had this problem, but you could be right, it's worth a shot.
 
  #8  
Old 03-12-2009, 09:05 PM
ragingpinto's Avatar
ragingpinto
ragingpinto is offline
New User
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 6
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
overheating

Is your distributor in right?It's easy to get in 1 tooth off, which will throw your timing off and cause an overheating problem.
 
  #9  
Old 03-13-2009, 06:32 AM
Crabby144's Avatar
Crabby144
Crabby144 is offline
Senior User
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 275
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
The truck is not over heating. The distributer is in right, and the truck is in time.
 
  #10  
Old 03-13-2009, 09:56 AM
deeznuts822's Avatar
deeznuts822
deeznuts822 is offline
Elder User
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: ohio
Posts: 797
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Bad coil? they are usually heat sensitive
 
  #11  
Old 03-13-2009, 10:02 AM
Crabby144's Avatar
Crabby144
Crabby144 is offline
Senior User
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 275
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
could be, i will check that, thanks!!
 




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:30 AM.