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Old Mar 3, 2009 | 06:06 PM
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Chandra Levy's Killer-Illegal Alien

On tonight's national news, they mentioned that Chandra Levy's killer was a "Salvadoran immigrant". They said nothing about him being legal or illegal. After doing a search on the internet, I found that most news organizations did not mention that Ingmar Guandique was indeed an illegal alien. Why does the media not mention the status of immigrants especially when they are illegal?
 
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Old Mar 3, 2009 | 06:14 PM
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It's been so long, who knows if this guy is really guilty or if they just dug someone up that nobody would ever know about...pin it on him, try, convict, walk away. We'll have to wait and see what the evidence says.

That having been said, if he DID kill her, who cares about him immigration status? A citizen could just have easily been the one to do it. If he did it, he should pay for it.

You risk painting a picture that every illegal is a murderer.
 
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Old Mar 3, 2009 | 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by hofuf
On tonight's national news, they mentioned that Chandra Levy's killer was a "Salvadoran immigrant". They said nothing about him being legal or illegal. After doing a search on the internet, I found that most news organizations did not mention that Ingmar Guandique was indeed an illegal alien. Why does the media not mention the status of immigrants especially when they are illegal?
IF (and I truly mean "IF") the Washington, DC Metropolitan Police Department (MPD) had enough detectives to do their job, and not so many 'management' officers, this case could have been solved a Lonnnnnnnnnnnng time ago.

Trust me on this one, folks.
Too many Chiefs. Not enough (ahem). . . detectives.

I truly hope that Chandra Levy can Rest In Peace, finally.
 
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Old Mar 3, 2009 | 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by 00BlueOvalRanger
IF (and I truly mean "IF") the Washington, DC Metropolitan Police Department (MPD) had enough detectives to do their job, and not so many 'management' officers, this case could have been solved a Lonnnnnnnnnnnng time ago.

Trust me on this one, folks.
Too many Chiefs. Not enough (ahem). . . detectives.

I truly hope that Chandra Levy can Rest In Peace, finally.
what was the guys name - moose was his nickname - that 'solved' the sniper case, only after the sniper called them a couple times and told them where he lived in seattle....
 
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Old Mar 3, 2009 | 07:11 PM
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Are you referring to the Montgomery County (MD) Police Chief??
If so, I can picture him, but, I can't remember his name.


ETA: Just looked it up. Charles A. Moose, (fmr) Chief of Police, Montgomery County (MD) Police Department.

Also, thanks, Scott!
 
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Old Mar 3, 2009 | 07:15 PM
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Charles Moose....that was his real name.
 
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Old Mar 3, 2009 | 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Virto
It's been so long, who knows if this guy is really guilty or if they just dug someone up that nobody would ever know about...pin it on him, try, convict, walk away. We'll have to wait and see what the evidence says.

That having been said, if he DID kill her, who cares about him immigration status? A citizen could just have easily been the one to do it. If he did it, he should pay for it.

You risk painting a picture that every illegal is a murderer.
One reason I think it is important to tell the American public if a murderer is also an illegal alien is so that we can fully understand the illegal alien problem. It's much more than a bunch of guys mowing yards and building houses.
 
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Old Mar 3, 2009 | 09:46 PM
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Virto, I agree that him being illegal or not has little to do with his crime. But maybe a broader answer is our criminal detection system is put to task when dealing with someone who even though lives here, has not become accountable to our society as all of us are by having an identity. All members of our society are accountable to the public to obey the public laws and" being an alien also means being here in good faith."....< Teddy Roosevelt 1917.
 
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Old Mar 4, 2009 | 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Virto
That having been said, if he DID kill her, who cares about him immigration status? A citizen could just have easily been the one to do it. If he did it, he should pay for it.
Are you saying that if the illegal alien didn't kill her, some citizen would have?

It is incredibly relevant. No one can claim that murder is preventable (some may be.....but the s--t is going to happen)....But technically, murders committed by illegal aliens (or other crimes for that matter) ARE preventable.....And a good portion of those can be laid right at the feet of the State, which has been purposefully ignoring the illegal alien situation for decades now. If the State did a halfway competent job of controlling entry into the country, then that a--hole wouldn't have been here to commit the crime (or the sexual assaults that he's already in prison for) in the FIRST PLACE!!!

Just because we have our own home-grown robbers, rapists, murderers, etc. doesn't mean that we should tolerate the presence of imported robbers, rapists, murderers, etc.....right? You know....the old 'you can't choose your family....., but you can choose your friends' thingee......

Does immigration status matter? Hell yes, it matters. What do you say to a family when family members are killed by a drunk driver....and it turns out that the drunk driver is an illegal alien with PRIOR drunk driving convictions....and the State never got around to deporting the a--hole after the first convictions and prison sentences because of political infighting or cries of 'no money to deport or process illegal aliens).....Meaning that the a--hole was present to, yet again, drive drunk; but THIS time actually KILLED people by doing so? What do you say to that family? Is the State properly serving the citizens of the country by ignoring this problem.

Hell yes the immigration status matters in the Levy case and any other case for that matter. Big time.
 
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Old Mar 4, 2009 | 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by cmpd1781
Are you saying that if the illegal alien didn't kill her, some citizen would have?

It is incredibly relevant. No one can claim that murder is preventable (some may be.....but the s--t is going to happen)....But technically, murders committed by illegal aliens (or other crimes for that matter) ARE preventable.....And a good portion of those can be laid right at the feet of the State, which has been purposefully ignoring the illegal alien situation for decades now. If the State did a halfway competent job of controlling entry into the country, then that a--hole wouldn't have been here to commit the crime (or the sexual assaults that he's already in prison for) in the FIRST PLACE!!!

Just because we have our own home-grown robbers, rapists, murderers, etc. doesn't mean that we should tolerate the presence of imported robbers, rapists, murderers, etc.....right? You know....the old 'you can't choose your family....., but you can choose your friends' thingee......

Does immigration status matter? Hell yes, it matters. What do you say to a family when family members are killed by a drunk driver....and it turns out that the drunk driver is an illegal alien with PRIOR drunk driving convictions....and the State never got around to deporting the a--hole after the first convictions and prison sentences because of political infighting or cries of 'no money to deport or process illegal aliens).....Meaning that the a--hole was present to, yet again, drive drunk; but THIS time actually KILLED people by doing so? What do you say to that family? Is the State properly serving the citizens of the country by ignoring this problem.

Hell yes the immigration status matters in the Levy case and any other case for that matter. Big time.

Incredible post!!!!!!! This could be THE post of the decade!

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Old Mar 4, 2009 | 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by cmpd1781
Are you saying that if the illegal alien didn't kill her, some citizen would have?
No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying it's POSSIBLE. I could walk out of the office tonight and be run over by a bus. Would it matter that the driver was a citizen or not? I'd still be dead.



Originally Posted by cmpd1781
It is incredibly relevant. No one can claim that murder is preventable (some may be.....but the s--t is going to happen)....But technically, murders committed by illegal aliens (or other crimes for that matter) ARE preventable.....And a good portion of those can be laid right at the feet of the State, which has been purposefully ignoring the illegal alien situation for decades now. If the State did a halfway competent job of controlling entry into the country, then that a--hole wouldn't have been here to commit the crime (or the sexual assaults that he's already in prison for) in the FIRST PLACE!!!
I agree that he should have already been in jail, no doubt about it. To think that there is any way to stop illegal immigration completely is delusional. There will always be people that get in that aren't supposed to be here. Probably 99% of them are just looking to make a life and stay under the radar, but there will always be those that are inherently evil. Our own citizenry is no different.

Originally Posted by cmpd1781
Just because we have our own home-grown robbers, rapists, murderers, etc. doesn't mean that we should tolerate the presence of imported robbers, rapists, murderers, etc.....right? You know....the old 'you can't choose your family....., but you can choose your friends' thingee......
I agree, but again, there is no effective means at this time to find them and get rid of them in most cases. Essentially illegals who perform illegal acts are just problems on top of similar people in our own citizenry.

Originally Posted by cmpd1781
Does immigration status matter? Hell yes, it matters. What do you say to a family when family members are killed by a drunk driver....and it turns out that the drunk driver is an illegal alien with PRIOR drunk driving convictions....and the State never got around to deporting the a--hole after the first convictions and prison sentences because of political infighting or cries of 'no money to deport or process illegal aliens).....Meaning that the a--hole was present to, yet again, drive drunk; but THIS time actually KILLED people by doing so? What do you say to that family? Is the State properly serving the citizens of the country by ignoring this problem.
That's a failure of the State and Federal immigration system. Not necessarily its policies, but when every program in this country is tied to a budget, there will be failures. Would I be pissed? HELL yes I'd be pissed, probably try and blow the guy away myself, but I'd be the one ending up in jail, because there'd always be money to prosecute and house me. Another justice system failure.

Originally Posted by cmpd1781
Hell yes the immigration status matters in the Levy case and any other case for that matter. Big time.
It highlights the shortcomings in America's policy and practice, but I refuse to believe that being an illegal makes this murder somehow inheritently worse than one committed by a citizen. A guy this weekend, born and raised here killed his wife and stepson before killing himself. The best part...he was convicted of killing his FORMER wife and got out with time served.

None of our opinions matter. Nothing we believe matters.

All that really matters is that justice is served and Chandra finds peace.
 
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Old Mar 4, 2009 | 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by hofuf
On tonight's national news, they mentioned that Chandra Levy's killer was a "Salvadoran immigrant". They said nothing about him being legal or illegal. After doing a search on the internet, I found that most news organizations did not mention that Ingmar Guandique was indeed an illegal alien. Why does the media not mention the status of immigrants especially when they are illegal?
If you were watching MSNBC or NBC then I would'nt be surprised
 
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Old Mar 4, 2009 | 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 00BlueOvalRanger
IF (and I truly mean "IF") the Washington, DC Metropolitan Police Department (MPD) had enough detectives to do their job, and not so many 'management' officers, this case could have been solved a Lonnnnnnnnnnnng time ago.
I'm not real sure on that. Stranger on stranger crimes are hard to solve.
 
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Old Mar 4, 2009 | 12:23 PM
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I'm not real sure on that. Stranger on stranger crimes are hard to solve.
You're right, they are very hard to solve, because there is usually no connection of any type to go on.

I do also agree with double-oh. There is an extreme shortage of qualified personnel in high-crime areas.

I wanted very much to look into law enforcement, but I'm too fat and too crippled to do it. Instead I'll pound a keyboard and hope someone else has the guts and drive to be one of the underapreciated heroes in our own backyards.
 
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Old Mar 4, 2009 | 06:28 PM
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If you were watching MSNBC or NBC then I would'nt be surprised
You'd be surprised at the number of news outlets that did not mention immigration status. It took a long time on Google to find out the truth.
 
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