Hydrogen booster and MAF
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Hydrogen booster and MAF
I've installed a hydrogen booster on my '05 and am looking around for the components to fine tune it. I have found a MAP/MAF tuner on eBay made to the specifications of the water4gas website, but it says it only works on an analog MAF (that uses a voltage reading) and will not work on a MAF that uses a frequency reading. Is the MAF on this model voltage/analog or frequency type?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Thanks in advance for your help.
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please please don't mess with your MAF. You can and will blow your motor.
The H20 scams want you to mess with the MAF voltage...which tells the computer to run lean...which will cause you to eat a cylinder or 2.
do a few searches. H20 scams rely on tune-ups and tricking the PCM, they don't actually work.
again, please don't "fine tune" your MAF or PCM. You will only eat the motor
The H20 scams want you to mess with the MAF voltage...which tells the computer to run lean...which will cause you to eat a cylinder or 2.
do a few searches. H20 scams rely on tune-ups and tricking the PCM, they don't actually work.
again, please don't "fine tune" your MAF or PCM. You will only eat the motor
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It's definitely not some big mystery that is a scam - I know people who have done it and it works and does not harm their engine or anything else.
However, I digress. My question still remains about the MAF sensor.
However, I digress. My question still remains about the MAF sensor.
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proof? and not those wild claims and assumptions you see on all the H20 scam sites. I want valid scientific proof. Someone's brothers cousin twice removed who knows a friend with one doesn't count either.
The $1,000,000 dollar prize for a working water to gas system still hasn't been claimed. Seems nobody can prove one works
The $1,000,000 dollar prize for a working water to gas system still hasn't been claimed. Seems nobody can prove one works
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can't, because then he'll come back saying that his Ford is such a POS and that it wasn't the H20 systems fault...or he'll get a 1-2 mpg gain from leaning the motor out to dangerous limits and convince someone else that it works...and then they'll blow a motor.
it's a viscious cycle that is easiest stopped at the 1st person.
it's a viscious cycle that is easiest stopped at the 1st person.
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Tylus, I agree with you 100%. A friend of mine put it on his blazer and it worked excellent for about 6 months. (Except for the fact that he had to put his battery on the charger every night because his alternator couldn't keep up with the load) But then it started pinging really bad and we had to rebuild the engine. The pistons and heads looked like they had 500,000 miles on them.
However, Denny's question was only about the MAF. Ultimately, its his truck and he is free to do with it what he wants. We are only here for advice.
However, Denny's question was only about the MAF. Ultimately, its his truck and he is free to do with it what he wants. We are only here for advice.
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I've installed a hydrogen booster on my '05 and am looking around for the components to fine tune it. I have found a MAP/MAF tuner on eBay made to the specifications of the water4gas website, but it says it only works on an analog MAF (that uses a voltage reading) and will not work on a MAF that uses a frequency reading. Is the MAF on this model voltage/analog or frequency type?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Thanks in advance for your help.
You're gonna' blow your motor is what you're gonna' do.
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proof? and not those wild claims and assumptions you see on all the H20 scam sites. I want valid scientific proof. Someone's brothers cousin twice removed who knows a friend with one doesn't count either.
The $1,000,000 dollar prize for a working water to gas system still hasn't been claimed. Seems nobody can prove one works
The $1,000,000 dollar prize for a working water to gas system still hasn't been claimed. Seems nobody can prove one works
I'm not an uneducated person, and I know a thing or two about chemistry, and my judgement tells me that this has shot at working (without considering any of the pie-in-the-sky claims on the websites you mentioned).
I'm not leaning the engine to 30:1 - yes, that would not be wise. However, do these engines run at peak efficiency? I think most would agree, certainly not. Each of us knows that the PCM will only listen to the vehicle sensors up to a certain point - if someone tried to lean the fuel mixture too much the vehicle will go into open loop and put in the default amount of fuel.
I have an extremely hard time believing that I will ruin an engine at 18:1 - but maybe so.
Can you explain, scientifically please, why this will ruin my engine?
Also, thank you for answering my original question about the MAF signal.
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I always think about an old dirt bike I had and when it ran out of gas(lean condition) it had a TON of power all the sudden.
I don't know enough about the Hydrogen systems to comment on that, but do all you guys really believe that with all the scientific progress over the last hundred years we are still driving trucks that really get no better mileage than they did 30 years ago?? Doesn't anybody realize that BIG OIL would be VERY upset if vehicles were able to get double or triple the mileage they are getting. And who controls government? Whoever has the deepest pockets. I don't know the percentage off the top of my head but the engines we have right now seem to waste a very large amount of the energy available from gasoline.
Or maybe I'm totally off here...
Oh and to the original poster-sorry I don't know the answer to your question,but kudos for giving it a try. How can you know unless you try it right?
I don't know enough about the Hydrogen systems to comment on that, but do all you guys really believe that with all the scientific progress over the last hundred years we are still driving trucks that really get no better mileage than they did 30 years ago?? Doesn't anybody realize that BIG OIL would be VERY upset if vehicles were able to get double or triple the mileage they are getting. And who controls government? Whoever has the deepest pockets. I don't know the percentage off the top of my head but the engines we have right now seem to waste a very large amount of the energy available from gasoline.
Or maybe I'm totally off here...
Oh and to the original poster-sorry I don't know the answer to your question,but kudos for giving it a try. How can you know unless you try it right?