koer 172
Truck has no power from a stop. Really notice it trying to go up hill from a stop. At first my egr stuck open, so I replaced it. Hoping this was the trouble before I knew I had a 172. It seemed to run a little better but not from a stand still. I ended up replacing the O2 sensor since I havn't for about 5 years anyway. But still have the same problem. The truck runs great once it's moving.
This is everything I have done to it in the past 6 months because one after another things kept going. Well it does have 250,000 miles.
95 F150, 302, K&N air filter.
new distributor, rotor, and cap.
new plugs, wire, and coil.
new oil pump, pickup tube, and oil pressure sending unit.
new IAC, TPS.
new EGR, position sensor, and PVC.
lets not forget the oil and filter every 3000.
The fuel pressure is within specs with koeo and koer and never lost any pressure well after 1 minute with key off.
Can't find any vacume leaks.
All my problems sound like this https://www.ford-trucks.com/tsb/full...?tsb=*98-23-10. Could the MAF be the problem? I did have a piece of grass or something in it and cleaned it out with MAF cleaner.
Any ideas?
Truck has no power from a stop. Really notice it trying to go up hill from a stop. At first my egr stuck open, so I replaced it. Hoping this was the trouble before I knew I had a 172. It seemed to run a little better but not from a stand still. I ended up replacing the O2 sensor since I havn't for about 5 years anyway. But still have the same problem. The truck runs great once it's moving.
This is everything I have done to it in the past 6 months because one after another things kept going. Well it does have 250,000 miles.
95 F150, 302, K&N air filter.
new distributor, rotor, and cap.
new plugs, wire, and coil.
new oil pump, pickup tube, and oil pressure sending unit.
new IAC, TPS.
new EGR, position sensor, and PVC.
lets not forget the oil and filter every 3000.
The fuel pressure is within specs with koeo and koer and never lost any pressure well after 1 minute with key off.
Can't find any vacume leaks.
All my problems sound like this https://www.ford-trucks.com/tsb/full...?tsb=*98-23-10. Could the MAF be the problem? I did have a piece of grass or something in it and cleaned it out with MAF cleaner.
Any ideas?

I was at Autozone today, and they have specific cleaner for the MAF. Looks like it is a spray deal like carb, and choke, cleaner, but it says MAF Cleaner right on it. I don't remember the price, but I don't think it was too far out of line. (~10 bucks, or so, if I remember correctly). I can't find it in their online catalog, but, I did see it on the shelf with the chemicals.
That MAF is spendy, I wouldn't replace it unless you know it's bad. Do you have access to a known good one that you can test with?
Last edited by Beastly; Feb 13, 2009 at 11:50 PM. Reason: Added
This doesn't always work because there are so many variables, but it is useful to try if you don't have the proper diagnostic equipement.
The MAF is fine. After alot of thought, banging my head against the hood, and a couple of drinks, I put my finger in the oil fill on the valve cover. Low and behold I found a slight trace of coolant while wiping my finger inside. Could this be the cause of my problem? Lower intake manifold, head gasket, or cracked head?
If so, would it be better putting a rebuilt in due to the cost of all the new gaskets and what everelse needs replaced and time?
Any suggestions would be apeiciated.
As far as what to do about it, it depends... Is the engine the original with 250K on it, or, has it been rebuilt/replaced fairly recently?
My truck has 203,000 miles on it. I only know the history for the last 600 miles. Right now, it seems to run very good, with good power, and it sailed through the emissions inspection, and tests.
Even though my engine seems to be in great condition now, if I have any major trouble (like a head gasket, loss of oil pressure, cracked head, or worse), I am going to put a long block in it. That will give me the peace of mind knowing exactly what is in there, and what condition it is in (or should be).
If your engine is fairly fresh, I think I would fix it, using a rebuilt head, if needed. Otherwise, I would long-block it.
I doubt that you'll spend anywhere close to as much as a long block would cost by replacing a head, if it is bad.
But, before you do anything, of course, make sure that there is really a problem in that needs to be fixed internally. (Captain obvious strikes again!)
If it were me, I'd do a leak-down test on the engine, or pay a garage to do it, so you can get more conclusive information about the condition of the engine, and pinpoint what, if anything is wrong internally. (I don't have any personal experience doing a leak-down test, but, from what I understand, quite a bit can be determined by it.)
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IMO, getting 250,000 miles out of any gasoline engine is something to brag about.

When you say dried coolant drips on the TPS, do you mean that it is dripping on the TPS, then drying? Or, do you mean that there are coolant crystals being jarred loose, and that is where they drop? I'm wondering if the coolant getting on the TPS might be shorting it out, or causing it to misbehave at some positions...
Maybe corrosion in the TB is the problem. It sounds like it is worth checking out, and would need to be checked out anyway, even if you ended up replacing the engine. If it is not the problem, you'll have fixed something that sounds like it needed fixing anyway.
Back to the mileage on the engine... Like I said, I think 250K is a very good life for a gas engine. No matter how well you maintain it, it is going to wear out sooner, or later.
If the TB coolant issue doesn't solve the problem, I would still do the leak-down test, just to verify that everything internal is still working correctly.
Another thing you might want to do is check the exhaust for blue, or white smoke.
I'm assuming that your truck still runs a catalytic converter, and if it is doing its job correctly, I think it should be burning/vaporizing any oil, or coolant, before it gets to the tail pipe, so you won't have much visual clue as to what's going on.
I would temporarily replace the catalytic converter with a test tube, to see what the condition of the exhaust looks like, and go from there (if the problem is still present after you fix the coolant leak in the TB area).
As far as adding any fix-it additives ('mechanic-in-a-can') goes, I wouldn't do it. It only works sometimes, and when it does work, it only works temporarily.
It also tends to make a mess out of the components it touches, and when you go back to fix the problem correctly, you have to clean up the remnants of these additives.
I'm not a fan of Mechanic-in-a-can!
As far as the coolant leak, I did add Bars leak stop because I think it was just a pin hole leaking into the valve cover then going through the blowby into the air intake then leaking through the IAC gasket. For now that has stoped.
Thanks for all the help. I'll let you know if this helps incase someone else has done this to.
I hope that it is the TPS, that sounds like it should be an easy fix. (Crossing fingers)
As far as the coolant leak, I can't say that I get what you are saying. Does your system somehow have coolant lines plumbed through the valve cover? Or, am I just having a comprehension problem? (Those happen quite regularly to me for some reason...)
As far as the leak, I meant that it seems to be running a vicous cycle. Possibly leaking from the lower intake through the vlaves, into the valve cover, through the hose from the cover to the air intake, through the TB, One big circle. You would think that it should burn up, but not sure. After the truck warms up the white smoke stops. The smoke is only there when it is cold outside. When its warm, no smoke at all. But after adding the Bars leak stop, that vicous cycle seems to have stoped. No more signs of coolant in the oil fill hole.
FYI, I thought my engine was in great shape (and, it was in terms of emissions, compression, etc). However, it turns out what I thought was an exhaust manifold leak was actually the #4 wrist pin slapping a bit in the connecting rod. So, I'm putting a Ford/Motorcraft long block in it now.
(Actually, I'm letting the local repair shop do it, as my garage isn't really set up to do it easily. I'm getting a 3yr/100,000 mile warranty (towing, and warranty repairs, at any Ford dealer nationwide), so that works for me. It hurts the old wallet a little bit, but I think this truck is a keeper, so I don't mind so much. I'm still saving around $20,000 over buying a new truck with the same capability.)




