New engine needed or not?
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New engine needed or not?
I have an '04 5.4L at work that's been poorly maintained. It didn't have an oil change for about 30,000 (as my best guess).
When it got cold, the oil pressure gauge was all over the place, mainly being high. The truck was taken to Ford for repairs. The Ford garage said it was due to the oil not being changed, and that the oil looked like "jelly". They said it was so gel'd that it was cause high pressure issues.
They changed the oil, saying to change it again real soon because all of the jelly couldn't get gotten out from around the bearings.
They said to get rid of the truck ASAP because they think the bearing will go out soon because of all this.
I believe the part about the oil not being changed, the "jelly" condition of the oil, etc...but I'm not sure about the part about the engine going to go bad very soon.
Opinions from the experts PLEASE? If need be, I'll get rid of the vehicle, but is the Ford dealer just pulling one over on me?
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When it got cold, the oil pressure gauge was all over the place, mainly being high. The truck was taken to Ford for repairs. The Ford garage said it was due to the oil not being changed, and that the oil looked like "jelly". They said it was so gel'd that it was cause high pressure issues.
They changed the oil, saying to change it again real soon because all of the jelly couldn't get gotten out from around the bearings.
They said to get rid of the truck ASAP because they think the bearing will go out soon because of all this.
I believe the part about the oil not being changed, the "jelly" condition of the oil, etc...but I'm not sure about the part about the engine going to go bad very soon.
Opinions from the experts PLEASE? If need be, I'll get rid of the vehicle, but is the Ford dealer just pulling one over on me?
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I am surprised they did not recommend changing out the oil pump. Swapping motors is not maintenance, it is a repair. Keep up on maintenance to avoid costly repairs.
Check out Severe service recommendations in ALLDATAdiy.com. That is what you should follow from now on.
Check out Severe service recommendations in ALLDATAdiy.com. That is what you should follow from now on.
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The truck was bought with poor maintenance. They didn't recommend a oil pump because they recommended getting rid of the vehicle before the engine goes bad.
Question is...will the engine really go bad?
Question is...will the engine really go bad?
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Also...I didn't include the milage of the vehicle, which is 80,000.
They did not drop the pan. They just changed the oil. They said they didn't want to flush the old oil because it would be packed around the bearing and would be helping to hold things together. They said that flushing would loosen all that up and make the engine go bad even faster.
Should I believe all this a sell the truck?
Or should I disregard them and keep driving it? How valid is what they are saying?
They did not drop the pan. They just changed the oil. They said they didn't want to flush the old oil because it would be packed around the bearing and would be helping to hold things together. They said that flushing would loosen all that up and make the engine go bad even faster.
Should I believe all this a sell the truck?
Or should I disregard them and keep driving it? How valid is what they are saying?
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I would try flushing it. If the motor has problems, starting it on a good cold day could wipe it out. the comment about sludge being packed anound bearings ia bunch of crap. Sludge would also prevent oil from flowing, also. After you think you have it cleaned out I would use a good synthetic oil, from then on. Their are a few good product on the market, for flushing. Such as AutoRX, or you cantry Marvel Mystry oil, etc.
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What damage could the engine have that would cause it to quite working properly due to all this?
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I know that not changing oil to the point that it comes jelly is bad. If the engine were to be flush and new oil put in...AND IF the engine were to "break"...what would the cause be?
What inside the engine is most likely to be damaged to the point of the engine going bad?
I'm trying to figure out what's going to go bad after the nasty oil has been changed that wouldn't have already happened.
What inside the engine is most likely to be damaged to the point of the engine going bad?
I'm trying to figure out what's going to go bad after the nasty oil has been changed that wouldn't have already happened.
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I know that not changing oil to the point that it comes jelly is bad. If the engine were to be flush and new oil put in...AND IF the engine were to "break"...what would the cause be?
What inside the engine is most likely to be damaged to the point of the engine going bad?
I'm trying to figure out what's going to go bad after the nasty oil has been changed that wouldn't have already happened.
What inside the engine is most likely to be damaged to the point of the engine going bad?
I'm trying to figure out what's going to go bad after the nasty oil has been changed that wouldn't have already happened.
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Ok...so even though the oil has been changed, and the engine still is running as expected...an engine failure can still happen in the near future because of the damage that's already been done?
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yes, you are on borrowed time
The bearings have likely not been properly lubes for some time
I'd just drive her till she blows. May last 1,000 miles, or go another 80,000. Sorry can't give you anything more definative without seeing the crank bearings
The bearings have likely not been properly lubes for some time
I'd just drive her till she blows. May last 1,000 miles, or go another 80,000. Sorry can't give you anything more definative without seeing the crank bearings
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I'd flush it, as mentioned above, and then run something along the lines of 10w-30 if it was mine, and running normally. I'd change the oil every 1000 miles or month for about 6 months also.
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I would do just like Chargersfan says. The flushing chemical will gum up the screen in the oil pump. Just change the oil every 1000 miles for 6 months and replace the oil filter too. Make sure the oil is hot, the engine is warmed up, when you drain the oil !! All the crap will be liquified and come out in the warm oil.