Guess again son. I've been a do-er since L-O-N-G before you were born - I've been wrenching on vehicles for close to 40 years and have owned about 38 or 39 different vehicles - some from almost every manufacturer sold in the US. I've maintained 'em all myself too. In addition to the basic wrench work I even design, engineer, and fabricate my own Jeep suspension and modification parts (I happen to be an engineer by trade). Nothing fake about me pal. Ask anyone around here. Again, you're talking out your @$$ about someone you know nothing about.

You're right about one thing. I'm a reader - which means I'm a learner. As for my typing proving my intelligence, it doesn't. What it does prove is that I can communicate effectively, and that I care enough about the person reading what I write to make it readable for them. Read that sentence again a couple of times - there might be a couple of things there for you to learn.

As for my burning SVO, ever heard of blending? I have, and that is what I have done. I did the research on burning veg oil here, on a couple of other Ford IDI boards, a couple of Mercedes boards, and the biodiesel/SVO infopop board. You can learn a lot by reading and asking intelligent questions from people who've done what you're interested in learning about. Maybe you should try it sometime instead of spouting off about the infinite wisdom and knowledge that you've gained in the 2 or 3 years since you started shaving and driving.

It is true that I haven't made any bio yet. So what? That still doesn't prove I know nothing about the benefits of SVO - as you stated. There is no connection between the two. One doesn't prove anything about the other. Hence my comment about your lack of logic. Also the fact that I haven't made bio yet doesn't mean I don't know anything about making it either. Remember; I'm a reader and a learner. In fact I generally read everything I can and learn as much as I can about something before I jump into trying to do it. That's why I succeed at 99% of what I do. I learn and plan ahead - rather than jumping in blindly. And you seem to think this is a BAD thing? If you're running alternative fuels and haven't done your homework you WILL be replacing an engine needlessly.

See, I can replace or rebuild an engine too. In fact I'll wager I probably already HAVE done more of both than you have. But the difference between you and me is that years of experience have taught me to figure out what I'm doing before I try things like alternative fuels. See, that way I won't have to be doing engine swaps and rebuilds sooner than I should have to. On the other hand you seem to advocate the JUST DO IT approach instead - which means you'll be wasting your time doing engine swaps and rebuilds while I'm still racking up miles on a motor I had the good sense to learn how to do alternative fuels the right way - and NOT damage my engine.

As for attacking you, what I am attacking is the arrogance of youth. You are coming across as an inconsiderate know-it-all kid. Judging by the response of others, it would appear that I'm not the only one who sees it that way. Fabmandeluxe for example designs and builds bio processing systems of all sizes for a LIVING - as in professionally. If you can swallow your pride you might be able to learn something from the fact that more than one person is getting the same impression of you. Or maybe not. Some people have a hard time learning anything - especially young ones who think they already know everything...

 

Holy crap you guys, it amazes me how we can get out of control over such a simple issue; its not like were arguing over religion or something here.

Now, theres a few things i'd like to say.

1st, bio or wvo isnt gonna take you that far from home; both need processing.

2nd, IMHO, bio makes more sense in southern more warm climates. In the northern states or canada, bio gells, so you need to start on dino diesel, so you might as well go for the WVO system. I ran about 45000 on wvo here, and no problems. (idi7.3).

3rd, Making bio is more cost effective for larger companies who make use of the by-products. For the amount of time and money to make bio at home, just use reg diesel.

4th, someone who burns a lot of fuel will see the benefit of burning wvo soooner than bio.

5th, and most of all, most wvo users are not doing it "right". you can not just put in your tank and go. even in the hottest climates, its still not good enough.

I've had my brief biodiesel testing, but can not see past a good wvo 2 tank system. Like said earlier, we need a heated tank for the bio anyways....

Sure, you could mix a percentage of #2 with bio, but then your going through all the work just to cut down the savings.

I am in the solar and renewable energy business, and up here, nobody is spending money on something that won't pay for itself real quick, biodiesel plants are a smart idea, i realize this, but it is not the way to go for everyone.

Every alternative fueled engine I have seen in canada so far has been a 2 tank WVO system.
The guys who do this are primarily farmers that convert an old truck or tractor. If I tried to sell them a bio reactor and buy chemicals to process it, theyd tell me to **** myself.

 

It isn't a matter of being out of control. It is a matter of a very young, very new member smarting off and trying to start a debate that is a complete hijack of the tread.

I never asked for opinions on SVO vs. making bio - I was merely informing people in the forum (many of whom know how long I've been trying to get started on making my own bio) that I am finally about to get going on it.

Then when he was called out on it the guy started making baseless judgements and statements about me, who I am, and how I am. Sorry, I don't put up with that kind of crap from anybody, much less some noob troll...

 

So... back on subject, how's it coming along?

 

Well, I met with my potential partner the other day and went to look at one of his potential sites - the yard where he runs his pallet business. He has a 16-foot box van that he needs to move some stuff out of and that is what we plan on using as our space to set up the equipment. Looks do-able.

I've also identified a source of oil for $0.50 a gallon - until I can develop myself some free sources.

 

That is about the same size as what we have... Old Civil Defense box off a truck. Still had breaker panel and power outlets. had to run new wiring through conduit and install modern outlets. Run 220 into it from the house. Did you check schools for oil?

 

We're probably only going to wire it up for 120v - its so much easier.
I haven't tried schools yet, but they are one of the places I want to give a try. Only thing is, out here on the health-conscious left coast, I'm not so sure that many of them have deep fryers. Maybe the high schools (french fries)...

 

Well, I'm in Seattle - which is pretty northern - but it is also a pretty moderate climate. Seldom gets below freezing for more than a few days at a time, and a little anti-gel addative goes a long ways...

I'm figuring I can make bio for about $1 a gallon if I can get free oil. $1.50 if I have to buy the oil. Saving a buck to a buck and a half per gallon compared to the pump price seems pretty cost effective to me. Also there is the satisfaction of knowing that every dollar I don't spend on petro diesel is one less dollar going to the middle easterners who hate us and want nothing more than to kill us all and put an end our free(er) way of life.

I don't necessarily burn a LOT of fuel, but I don't just burn it in my truck either. My daily driver is an '84 Mercedes diesel coupe. Unfortunately, while the truck is well suited to a 2-tank WVO system, the Mercedes isn't. Adding a second tank would mean giving up half my trunk space and/or making permanent alterations to a neo-classic diesel car. Neither of which are something I want to do. So bio works for both of my diesels whereas WVO doesn't.

I agree. Doing it "right" means making modifications to the vehicle that are NOT cheap, nor easily reversed. I don't want to do that to my neo-classic car.

If that is the case in your area/climate, then WVO may make more sense for you. Not so much in my area/climate/situation.

Well, unfortunately there are far, far too many people and companies who are shying away from investing in anything that has more than a 2 or 3 year payback. The problem with making that the over-riding criteria for every financial decision is that it is a completely short-term planning approach, and doesn't look far enough down the road. There is no long range vision in expecting every investment to give a 100% return in 24-36 months. That lack of long range vision is one of the MAIN things wrong with our country and our society IMO. But now I'm waxing philosophical....

I agree, bio isn't for everyone. I never said it was. I did say it is the right way for ME to go, and that is what I started this thread about. I did NOT start it to begin a debate over bio versus burning veg oil. The noob is the one who decided that he should hijack MY thread and turn it into a debate.

Apparently you agree with him since you are taking up the debate where he left off...

 

Only a matter of time before fuel goes up again, probably not as over inflated as it was before, but... When it does, payback will come quicker. Besides, the stuff isn't as dry as ULSD and beter for our engines...