Speeding school bus
Post Fiend
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From: Grants Pass, Oregon
I can answer this question if you really want the answer. Many studies have shown than the seat belts increase the over all risk to children on school buses. The interior design with pading on THE BACK OF THE SEATS protect in almost all of the low speed accidents. This is why school buses are not suppose to speed. 45 mph is the max alowed other than activity buses approved for interstate use. School buses have federal safety standards not found on SUVs and cars. This is one of the reasons they sit so high. It lets a speeding car go under it(often killing the people in the car) but keeping the kids above the impact zone protecting them.
You need to consider the laws of physics,motion in particular! When a vehicle(that includes a school bus) hits an object,it typically either stops or at least decelerates at a rapid rate,depending on its speed,the speed of what hits it,relative mass etc. When occupants of said vehicle arent wearing seat belts,often times they are ejected from there seats,and they frequently hit objects in front of them,such as other seats,windshield,etc.....It makes no difference how high a vehicle sits,impact is what causes the injuries and deaths,whether you impact the other vehicle or steering column,dash,or other parts of your own vehicle,and seat belts are designed to prevent you from impacting these surfaces.....
Post Fiend
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From: Grants Pass, Oregon
I would think that a bus full of children with broken bones,and other injuries consistent with impact after being ejected from there seats,would cause an equal state of panic for a bus driver........
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From: NW burbs of chicago
maybe the problem was if it was on fire and kids couldnt get unbelted, but yes, I agree with you.
Back in 1995 a train hit a high school bus in my hometown. Kids were ejected and did die. I wonder if more classmates would have died had they been strapped in for that impact.
1995 Fox River Grove bus?train collision - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Back in 1995 a train hit a high school bus in my hometown. Kids were ejected and did die. I wonder if more classmates would have died had they been strapped in for that impact.
1995 Fox River Grove bus?train collision - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Government Teat-sucker
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From: Virginia Beach
With all the added lights and emergency exits and the fact that they aren't really that fast, would the addition of seatbelts really help the safety issue? Busses are giant, yellow and have the law on their side (try going around one that has children entering/ exiting- same as running a stop sign). The real problem with the OP is the fact that the bus is going too fast through the neighborhood. This is more of a hazard for those on the streets than those on the bus, isn't it? A child can appear from between 2 parked cars in the blink of an eye, and that bus driver is supposed to react quickly enough. Add a few miles per hour and the odds are really low that any driver could maneuver a vehicle that size in time to miss a kid in the street. This is why the speed limit in most residential areas is 25mph or less.
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From: North Carolina
So much for your streak of rational posting,its over after one remark! If seat belts increase risk of injury,why do passenger cars require them? If all one needs to do to improve safety in vehicles is to add more padding,dont you think that the auto manufacturers would have done so? Why does the bus driver get a seat belt?
You need to consider the laws of physics,motion in particular! When a vehicle(that includes a school bus) hits an object,it typically either stops or at least decelerates at a rapid rate,depending on its speed,the speed of what hits it,relative mass etc. When occupants of said vehicle arent wearing seat belts,often times they are ejected from there seats,and they frequently hit objects in front of them,such as other seats,windshield,etc.....It makes no difference how high a vehicle sits,impact is what causes the injuries and deaths,whether you impact the other vehicle or steering column,dash,or other parts of your own vehicle,and seat belts are designed to prevent you from impacting these surfaces.....
You need to consider the laws of physics,motion in particular! When a vehicle(that includes a school bus) hits an object,it typically either stops or at least decelerates at a rapid rate,depending on its speed,the speed of what hits it,relative mass etc. When occupants of said vehicle arent wearing seat belts,often times they are ejected from there seats,and they frequently hit objects in front of them,such as other seats,windshield,etc.....It makes no difference how high a vehicle sits,impact is what causes the injuries and deaths,whether you impact the other vehicle or steering column,dash,or other parts of your own vehicle,and seat belts are designed to prevent you from impacting these surfaces.....
Post Fiend
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From: Grants Pass, Oregon
Okay Ship boy,assuming your "studies" are of the usual irrational nature as most of your other posts,which is likely why do state and federal law require motorists to use seat belts on all passengers in cars? Are you asserting that internal injuries only occur when kids are in pass. cars,rather than school buses?
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Post Fiend
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From: Grants Pass, Oregon
Ship boy has a long record here of posting poorly thought out and often foolish suggestions. He as offered reckless advice regarding safe handling and usage of firearms,and he often posts thinly veiled political posts as of late,which always get kicked into the club section. He is plainly stated a troll,and he is here simply to state outlandish and frequently ridiculous opinions.
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From: Long Beach, Ms.
I do appreciate Ship Boys' new avatar. It is a tribute to my getting hooked by one of his political troll fests. Now back to the topic. What studies Ship Boy? Let us see your citations for them.
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From: North Carolina
Do your own research please. The debate is all there on google search. Besides I ant got time to teach no safety class. Dont assume that having belts will mean the kids will wear them. This is a factor also. One driver and 55 kids ...............wonder who you plan to monitor the kids that dont want to wear one........hummmmmmmm.........answer please.....note seat belts are lap belts not a 3 point safety harness. Its a complicated issue best left to the pros..
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From: Grants Pass, Oregon
Are we detecting a change in Ship Boys tactics? He has been questioned on his rather marginal research,and now he re directs us to look up the "facts" ourselves......Gee Whiz,Ship Boy,perhaps a certain savior,one who will be taking over a new job around the 20th of January can answer these questions.....It is indeed a complicated issue,and since you are not a pro,please refrain from attempting to answer questions that you are entirely unqualified to....
Post Fiend
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From: McKenzie River
Are we detecting a change in Ship Boys tactics? He has been questioned on his rather marginal research,and now he re directs us to look up the "facts" ourselves......Gee Whiz,Ship Boy,perhaps a certain savior,one who will be taking over a new job around the 20th of January can answer these questions.....It is indeed a complicated issue,and since you are not a pro,please refrain from attempting to answer questions that you are entirely unqualified to....
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From: darrington wash
IF i REMEMBER correctly... the last time they introduced the idea of seat belts on the bus(mind you this was around when washington came out with their new seat belt laws i belive, or sooner then that) the seat belts they wanted to install on the school busses, would of required the younger kids would have to be helped by the driver to unbuckle... and buckle up... and i think that was where a fear of kids dieing came in to the situation, the idea that if a bus crashed and rolled, and started flaming up.... the bus driver and older kids would have to unbuckle the younger kids while trying to make it out safely their selfs.... as to where, you could just shuffle the kids out the door if anything like that happend....
anyways... call the local news, and have them sit in your yard and wait for the bus to drive by....
anyways... call the local news, and have them sit in your yard and wait for the bus to drive by....