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Old Jan 4, 2009 | 12:15 AM
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Starting an old 390

I have a 1974 F-100 4x2 that "ran when parked" about 10 years ago. It has a 390 (all stock) and a C6 transmission, and has about 80,000 original miles. The motor is free. I would like to try to start it with as little investment as possible. What should I do before trying to get it to run? I realize it probably should have a carb kit and new spark plugs. Oil and filters changed. I'll probably disconnect the fuel line from the truck tank and use a container with new gas. Should I expect the fuel pump to work OK? The truck had power brakes, but they didn't work. Will I need to have the brake booster fixed to eliminate that drain on the vacuum? Any suggestions will be appreciated, as I am not much of a mechanic. I would just like to see it run to see the shape it is in, as I may be rebuilding it in the future. Thanks
 
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Old Jan 4, 2009 | 05:16 AM
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Well you pretty much have it figured out there... after 10 years, of sitting. I'd be pulling the fuel system out and replacing any lines I could and flushing the tank real good too! And be ready for any gaskets and seals both in the engine and the trans, wheels cylinders etc..to start leaking as soon as you put it to use!

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Old Jan 4, 2009 | 08:43 AM
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I you just want to see it run for the heck of it, I'd check the points, add a gas can and hit it! Chances are she'll fire right off. But I wouldn't run it long on the old oil 4 sure. Probably battery acid by now LOL
 
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Old Jan 4, 2009 | 11:28 AM
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I would prime the oil system with fresh oil and use a drill! JMHO
 
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Old Jan 4, 2009 | 12:14 PM
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Interesting comments.

Since you are new to all this I'll take the simple-easy approach.

My personal, I would not change the oil unless it was contaminated with water. I would change it immediately after first run. I would plug the vacuum line to the brake booster, the brakes can work without the booster hooked up.

Without even knowing if it will turn over, I'd remove all the spark plugs and put a couple squirts of oil with ATF (50/50) in each cylinder. I'd dump the rest of that quart of ATF in the crankcase.

Pull the dipstick and note the oil level for future reference.

With the plugs still out, put a socket on the crank bolt and turn the enginge over by hand. If you can do that, things are looking pretty good. Next, remove the wire from the center of the distributor cap and ground it to the block. Remove the fuel line form the carburator and divert any fuel to a container.

At this point you should have the plugs out, the coil wire grounded so there is no chance of spark, the fuel line disconnected so that you can see if the pump still works. Hook a fresh battery up and crank the engine over for at least 30 seconds. If you have a working gauge you should see pressure by then.

Check the fuel in the container. Pull the dipstick and smell the oil; does it smell like gas? If the fuel pump leaks, stop and fix that problem. If there is gas in the oil, change the oil now.

Next, reinstall the plugs. Crank the engine to build pressure in the fuel, oil, and cylinders. Check the carb for fuel leaks.

Re-install the coil wire to the cap, pump the gas pedal twice and fire it up. LOOK FOR FUEL LEAKS!
 
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Old Jan 4, 2009 | 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Hypoid
Interesting comments.

My personal, I would not change the oil unless it was contaminated with water. I would change it immediately after first run.
Don't take it to hart Hypoid but I dont agree with that. Oil after sitting for that long (used and gas fouled) Has a tendency to break down after a while. Its hard on bearings and it doesn't offer the protection. I would buy some cheap Wallie World oil and use that. Give the engine a fighting chance.

I would add Sea Foam or Marvel Mystery Oil to your cheap oil change. Also use a new cheap filter too. JMHO

Otherwise I agree with everything else that you have stated!
 
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Old Jan 4, 2009 | 12:50 PM
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LOL OK Wes, I'll take your advice! Cheap is good!

Edit: I thought about the crank not turning over by hand, but that is a whole other thread.
 
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Old Jan 4, 2009 | 01:01 PM
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With all the sparkplugs out is a great way to turn it over with the starter and one doesn't have to fight the resetting and timing issue afterwards. IMHO


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Old Jan 4, 2009 | 01:24 PM
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Especially for someone who says he's not much of a mechanic.

I keep think about changing the oil and then trying to turn the crank by hand. I guess I'd pull the plugs and see if the crank turned by hand before proceeding to the pre-lube.

I'll start my wounded 390 a few times a year. I typically ground the coil wire and crank it until I get oil pressure on the gauge. After that it fires right up.
 
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Old Jan 4, 2009 | 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Hypoid
LOL OK Wes, I'll take your advice! Cheap is good!

Edit: I thought about the crank not turning over by hand, but that is a whole other thread.
LOL I hope you dont feel like I'm steping on your toes LOL

For CT: After oil change with cheap stuff, prime the system. Its easy to do and it lubes up everything! So you wont have to turn over a so called "dry engine". After you get it running and put a few miles on it (500miles or so), you can dump the oil and add fresh stuff of your choice to it. JMHO
 
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Old Jan 4, 2009 | 01:52 PM
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Thanks for all the great tips, everyone! Rotation with the plugs out is something I hadn't thought of, but sounds like the thing to do to lubricate those dry cylinder walls, even if it produces a mess on the outside. I'm sitting here looking at snow and 0 F. and thinking about this shade-tree project, hurry up spring!
 
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Old Jan 4, 2009 | 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Hypoid
Without even knowing if it will turn over, I'd remove all the spark plugs and put a couple squirts of oil with ATF (50/50) in each cylinder.
Was going to suggest the same thing, except maybe MMO or some very light motor oil instead, and leave out the ATF in the crankcase.

New oil, even cheepo stuff would be best, and like Wes said, prime the oiling system first.

With it so dry after all that time, even a few revolutions without oil pressure and no compression (plugs removed) could cause you more problems down the road.

Good luck with the project!
 
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Old Jan 4, 2009 | 07:55 PM
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Ford428CJ: I'm not sure I understand what you mean by priming.
Quote: "After oil change with cheap stuff, prime the system. Its easy to do and it lubes up everything! So you wont have to turn over a so called "dry engine".

Do you mean by cranking the engine without spark, or is there another way to circulate the oil without cranking the engine? You mentioned "use a drill" Could you explain?
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Old Jan 5, 2009 | 12:28 PM
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Remove the distributor, and find a socket that fits the oil pump driveshaft - I think it's 5/16" (or is it 1/4"? Can't remember - measure the inside hex of the gear at the bottom of the distributor).

You might have to grind off some of the outside diameter of the socket to get it to fit into the hole around the oil pump driveshaft.

Using a long extension, and a reversable drill, spin the shaft COUNTERclockwise to get oil pressure up. Once you have oil pressure, if you let off the drill, the oil pump will actually push backwards against the drill and you'll feel it. Keep oil pressure up for a minute or so, and then crank the engine.

I wouldn't turn over the engine until the oil system has been primed.
 
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Old Jan 5, 2009 | 02:52 PM
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if you prime the system with a drill do yourself a favor and tape the socket to the extension it saves having to pull the pan off to find it. dont ask how i know.
 
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