Question on this spark plug problem
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Question on this spark plug problem
I just bought an 06 with 20k on it about a month ago. Do I need to go ahead and change the plugs to some other style or brand so they don't seize in the head? Or is there no avoiding this problem even by changing the plugs now. I figured with this low of mileage I may be ahead of the game by changing them now.
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Last Feb I bought a 06 5.4 with 12k on it. I had the ford dealer change the plugs at 17k and had them put antiseize on the sleeve for a preventive measure as per the TSB. I will change them every 25k thereafter so I don't have to worry about broken plugs.
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I just finished my pops 05 5.4 for the second time. It was about a year ago that i did his plugs. He had 30000 on the clock and his plugs were squeeling as they came out. Dam were they tight. Followed TSB where the engine was warm to touch and used pb blaster. What workd for me was the tight lossen ,back and forth constantly till the plug was out. I just let them soak for about 30 mts. I added the wrong aniseize ( gray) and just a dab on the threads. Now a yr later and 12000mi- did it again and they came out like butter. No squeels , just came out smoothe. The shafts had alot , alot of surface rust (all 8) but very minimal carbon. Cleaned them and added antisiez(gray) and was done. He is still running the original plugs pz2 .( maybe u are asking why do it so often, we were curious to see if they were going to be as stubborn as the first time. )
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I say wait until 90-100k to change them. The plugs are $14 each at my job and with this tool Amazon.com: LISLE 65600 5.4L Broken Plug Remover: Home Improvement the broke ones come out in less than 5 mins. Use Motorcraft carb tune-up cleaner(it's in a red and white can) in the spark plug holes after you break the old ones loose 1/8 turn. The cleaner will wick down and soften up the carbon. I let them sit at least a hour with the cleaner but overnight and the plugs will come out with no carbon on them. Here is the TSB http://www.saac-mcr.com/main/2008_TS...park_Plugs.pdf Forget about the Ford tools. The Lisle tool is the way to go. That's how I do the plugs and have had zero problems.
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I say wait until 90-100k to change them. The plugs are $14 each at my job and with this tool Amazon.com: LISLE 65600 5.4L Broken Plug Remover: Home Improvement the broke ones come out in less than 5 mins. Use Motorcraft carb tune-up cleaner(it's in a red and white can) in the spark plug holes after you break the old ones loose 1/8 turn. The cleaner will wick down and soften up the carbon. I let them sit at least a hour with the cleaner but overnight and the plugs will come out with no carbon on them. Here is the TSB http://www.saac-mcr.com/main/2008_TS...park_Plugs.pdf Forget about the Ford tools. The Lisle tool is the way to go. That's how I do the plugs and have had zero problems
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I say wait until 90-100k to change them. The plugs are $14 each at my job and with this tool Amazon.com: LISLE 65600 5.4L Broken Plug Remover: Home Improvement the broke ones come out in less than 5 mins. Use Motorcraft carb tune-up cleaner(it's in a red and white can) in the spark plug holes after you break the old ones loose 1/8 turn. The cleaner will wick down and soften up the carbon. I let them sit at least a hour with the cleaner but overnight and the plugs will come out with no carbon on them. Here is the TSB http://www.saac-mcr.com/main/2008_TS...park_Plugs.pdf Forget about the Ford tools. The Lisle tool is the way to go. That's how I do the plugs and have had zero problems.
For many people it hasn't been a 5 min job to remove them...its been a day or week long process thats cost hundreds or thousands of extra dollars.....a little bit of prevention can save alot of hassle later....
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FYI for everybody
If you change your plugs, do 1 of 2 things
1. Use a 1 piece style plug...haven't heard alot of good things about the Champion though
or
2. Use the PZT1F (SP-462) plugs. The 2F plug has been outdated by Ford, and the 06+ are running the 1F from the factory.
Best of luck out there with this
If you change your plugs, do 1 of 2 things
1. Use a 1 piece style plug...haven't heard alot of good things about the Champion though
or
2. Use the PZT1F (SP-462) plugs. The 2F plug has been outdated by Ford, and the 06+ are running the 1F from the factory.
Best of luck out there with this
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Trust me its a 5 min job per plug with the Lisle tool.
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Okay... I have a 06 with the 5.4. Tylus stated that they have the different plug. Now is that the one piece plug and is there a way to tell without removing the plug. This question may be dumb, but I am still new to this doing everything on my own, instead of just going back to the dealership.
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Okay... I have a 06 with the 5.4. Tylus stated that they have the different plug. Now is that the one piece plug and is there a way to tell without removing the plug. This question may be dumb, but I am still new to this doing everything on my own, instead of just going back to the dealership.
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Now, I've never done the plugs in one of these engines...
But I just don't understand why everyone is scared to death of these things. I've read plenty of posts of people with both low miles, and 100K plus getting all plugs out intact....that being said, I've also heard from folks with low and high miles breaking plugs off, and having problems....
So, why is everyone so eager to fix something that's NOT broke on a new truck??? I have 19k on my truck...and it's possible for one to break if I change 'em now....or at 100K...but believe me, I would have an easier time justifying pulling the heads at 100K than 19K....
So I'm gonna wait, and tackle it when it needs it, and deal with it then...
71f100longbed...just how good is this tool? Using it, are you saying there is very little chance of dropping one into a cylinder?
But I just don't understand why everyone is scared to death of these things. I've read plenty of posts of people with both low miles, and 100K plus getting all plugs out intact....that being said, I've also heard from folks with low and high miles breaking plugs off, and having problems....
So, why is everyone so eager to fix something that's NOT broke on a new truck??? I have 19k on my truck...and it's possible for one to break if I change 'em now....or at 100K...but believe me, I would have an easier time justifying pulling the heads at 100K than 19K....
So I'm gonna wait, and tackle it when it needs it, and deal with it then...
71f100longbed...just how good is this tool? Using it, are you saying there is very little chance of dropping one into a cylinder?
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FYI, just to clear up something. Don't change them on a warm engine. That is from an obsolete TSB. Ford updated the TSB a while back and states to change them with the engine completely cold.