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Old Dec 19, 2008 | 12:41 PM
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Brake Problem I've Never Read About Here

My son-in-law has an '02 long bed extended cab 4x4 auto, that the brakes are seizing up on. Every time you apply the brakes The pedal will get a little more pumped up until after about an hour of driving all 4 wheels are completely locked up. You can either crack the brake lines loose and release the built up pressure, or let it sit for about 5 hours and they will release themselves. Does not sound like much fun to me. His life is already miserable enough, he is stuck living in Buffalo, but takes good care of my youngest......LOL
 
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Old Dec 19, 2008 | 01:32 PM
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Ha, I ask a tech question for the first time in weeks and everyone is stumped. I know I've never seen the problem discussed in the 7.3 forum anyway.
 
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Old Dec 19, 2008 | 01:39 PM
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4 wheel ABS? My first thought would be the ABS module's balancing pistons are not releasing, allowing hydraulic pressure to remain in the lines.
 
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Old Dec 19, 2008 | 01:39 PM
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Mark,

Sounds like an ABS proportioning valve problem. ABS not releasing the pressure.

Edit: Ditto Bob
 
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Old Dec 19, 2008 | 01:39 PM
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Maybe the master cylider???

Thats the only thing I can think of that would cause the pressure to stay in the lines.
Has he done anything with the brakes recently? or did it just start happending all of a sudden?

I've read about when you collapse the pistons back inside the caliper you can damage some sorta valve in the master that would let the pressure release.

Does the brake fluid look dirty?

Also...are you saying the pedal is HARD to push down about after an hour of driving? Might even be a hyrdoboost issue.

Aff....slow typer
 
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Old Dec 19, 2008 | 01:41 PM
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has the truck been sitting for long or did it just start doing this??
 
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Old Dec 19, 2008 | 01:50 PM
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4 wheel ABS? My first thought would be the ABS module's balancing pistons are not releasing, allowing hydraulic pressure to remain in the lines.
We discussed this on the phone, and he wanted me to ask y'all anyway.

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Mark,

Sounds like an ABS proportioning valve problem. ABS not releasing the pressure.

Edit: Ditto Bob
We think so too.

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Maybe the master cylider???

Thats the only thing I can think of that would cause the pressure to stay in the lines.
Has he done anything with the brakes recently? or did it just start happending all of a sudden?

I've read about when you collapse the pistons back inside the caliper you can damage some sorta valve in the master that would let the pressure release.

Does the brake fluid look dirty?

Also...are you saying the pedal is HARD to push down about after an hour of driving? Might even be a hyrdoboost issue.

Aff....slow typer
The master cylinder will be the next thing he will look at. I don't know about the fluid condition. I will ask him when I call him right now.

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has the truck been sitting for long or did it just start doing this??
No to the sitting and it's been doing it quite awhile. Thank you everyone and you can bet your bippies I will post the results.
 
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Old Dec 19, 2008 | 01:59 PM
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I called him with your advice and he's going to start with the ABS stuff, but not until Monday. He promised to call me with what they find. Thanx again everyone.
 
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Old Dec 19, 2008 | 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Fordbronco69
Maybe the master cylider???

Thats the only thing I can think of that would cause the pressure to stay in the lines.
Has he done anything with the brakes recently? or did it just start happending all of a sudden?

I've read about when you collapse the pistons back inside the caliper you can damage some sorta valve in the master that would let the pressure release.

Does the brake fluid look dirty?

Also...are you saying the pedal is HARD to push down about after an hour of driving? Might even be a hyrdoboost issue.

Aff....slow typer

OK...so what does it mean if the fluid is dirty...sorry, I had to ask?
 
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Old Dec 19, 2008 | 03:37 PM
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Dont be sorry for asking question!

If the fluid is dirty, usually from old brake lines it will reck havoc on the whole inside of the brake system...maybe his whole issue is the ABS proportioning valve is stuck due to alot of gunk from a bad hose....or maybe not.

When i had my P/S pump going out on me, my brakes were a lil weird so i changed the fluid it helped somewhat but not much. Since i got a new pump on there my brakes work alot better then I remember
 
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Old Dec 19, 2008 | 03:47 PM
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Truck is in good condition and only has 125k on it, so I doubt dirty brake fluid is an issue. We'll know more Monday afternoon.
 
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Old Dec 19, 2008 | 04:25 PM
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Maybe just bleeding out the brakes real good and changing out the old fluid might help also. Remember, Motorcraft trans fluid not brake fluid, learned that on here.
 
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Old Dec 19, 2008 | 04:32 PM
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Maybe just bleeding out the brakes real good and changing out the old fluid might help also. Remember, Motorcraft trans fluid not brake fluid, learned that on here.
Huh? Tranny fluid in the master cylinder and calipers. If so, a few years ago when I replaced my rear calipers I made a big mistake, but my brakes work great.
 
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Old Dec 19, 2008 | 04:37 PM
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DOT brake fluid is hygroscopic, meaning it sucks any and all moisture it can out of any air it can get to (reservoir mostly). Many mechanics, including Kwik, recommend flushing your brake fluid annually.

The brake lines require DOT3 brake fluid. Power assist (hydro boost) requires tranny fluid.
 
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Old Dec 19, 2008 | 04:59 PM
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I got the hydro boost but i topped mine off last year with DOT brake fluid and did a flush a couple weeks ago. Thanks for the info Bob.
 
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