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What would be a good type of welding for the frame? I don't think that a '52 would have as strong as a steel as todays frames are but can I get some input on the subject from some experianced welders? Could it be done with a mig? What type of wire would it need?
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Try posting your question to the list at the link below. They're good guys, and very helpful. And please let us know what you learn!
http://www.hobartwelders.com/mboard/forumdisplay.php?s=0cb3ea625f1db593d0a69ec257f1f74 a&forumid=5
http://www.hobartwelders.com/mboard/forumdisplay.php?s=0cb3ea625f1db593d0a69ec257f1f74 a&forumid=5
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[updated:LAST EDITED ON 04-Oct-02 AT 01:29 AM (EST)]I'm interested, too, in hearing from the experts.
I have a cracked frame on my '72, just behind the steering box.
Unless I hear otherwise, here's what I plan on doing:
1) drill a 1/8" hole at each end of the crack
2) drind out a vee
3) MIG it (actually flux core wire feed)
4) cover it with a little diamond-shaped fish-plate to spread out the stress.
Here's a link with a few tips:
http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/lonestarearlyfordv-8/tips.html
Here's one for oil platforms, but friction welding is beyond the scope of our projects:
http://www.circletech.co.uk/services/stud/tech_paper_03.htm
No short answers, but another discussion:
http://www.forester.net/gx_0011_metallurgy.html
--Matt
1972 F250 Custom Sport Camper Special 4x2 360 2v C6 3.73
Soon to have a 104" wheelbase as part of a Broncification project
My FTE Website -- http://www.clubfte.com/users/mlf72f250/index.html
My Galleries -- https://www.ford-trucks.com/user_gallery/displaygallery.php?userid=1108
I have a cracked frame on my '72, just behind the steering box.
Unless I hear otherwise, here's what I plan on doing:
1) drill a 1/8" hole at each end of the crack
2) drind out a vee
3) MIG it (actually flux core wire feed)
4) cover it with a little diamond-shaped fish-plate to spread out the stress.
Here's a link with a few tips:
http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/lonestarearlyfordv-8/tips.html
Here's one for oil platforms, but friction welding is beyond the scope of our projects:
http://www.circletech.co.uk/services/stud/tech_paper_03.htm
No short answers, but another discussion:
http://www.forester.net/gx_0011_metallurgy.html
--Matt
1972 F250 Custom Sport Camper Special 4x2 360 2v C6 3.73
Soon to have a 104" wheelbase as part of a Broncification project
My FTE Website -- http://www.clubfte.com/users/mlf72f250/index.html
My Galleries -- https://www.ford-trucks.com/user_gallery/displaygallery.php?userid=1108
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Make that "grind" -- sometimes my fingers just don't do the right things...
1972 F250 Custom Sport Camper Special 4x2 360 2v C6 3.73
Soon to have a 104" wheelbase as part of a Broncification project
My FTE Website -- http://www.clubfte.com/users/mlf72f250/index.html
My Galleries -- https://www.ford-trucks.com/user_gallery/displaygallery.php?userid=1108
1972 F250 Custom Sport Camper Special 4x2 360 2v C6 3.73
Soon to have a 104" wheelbase as part of a Broncification project
My FTE Website -- http://www.clubfte.com/users/mlf72f250/index.html
My Galleries -- https://www.ford-trucks.com/user_gallery/displaygallery.php?userid=1108
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I've gotten some advice from friends, folks on FTE, and read things on the web. I'm about to tackle it. I have two fire extinguishers and a borrowed flux-core wire feed.
I'll take some pictures and post them.
Here goes...
--Matt
1972 F250 Custom Sport Camper Special 4x2 360 2v C6 3.73
Soon to have a 104" wheelbase as part of a Broncification project
My FTE Website -- http://www.clubfte.com/users/mlf72f250/index.html
My Galleries -- https://www.ford-trucks.com/user_gallery/displaygallery.php?userid=1108
I'll take some pictures and post them.
Here goes...
--Matt
1972 F250 Custom Sport Camper Special 4x2 360 2v C6 3.73
Soon to have a 104" wheelbase as part of a Broncification project
My FTE Website -- http://www.clubfte.com/users/mlf72f250/index.html
My Galleries -- https://www.ford-trucks.com/user_gallery/displaygallery.php?userid=1108
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I asked a welder and this is what I got from him...
1. the newer frames(not my 50 year old frame) use a harder steel and require a bead at least the same stregnth as the frame and a welder that will penetrate the thickness of the metal used
2. heating the parts will make a better weld
3. when adding structual peices the metal should be at least the same hardness as the frame
These are given for any welder for structual welding. They were mainly for me c-notching a frame. He said it should be safe if I don't haul anything, and then if I did it's up to how well I did the job as to how the frame holds up. Of course smaller jobs, like fixing a crack, do not require these.
1. the newer frames(not my 50 year old frame) use a harder steel and require a bead at least the same stregnth as the frame and a welder that will penetrate the thickness of the metal used
2. heating the parts will make a better weld
3. when adding structual peices the metal should be at least the same hardness as the frame
These are given for any welder for structual welding. They were mainly for me c-notching a frame. He said it should be safe if I don't haul anything, and then if I did it's up to how well I did the job as to how the frame holds up. Of course smaller jobs, like fixing a crack, do not require these.
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Thanks!
I decided not to post pictures of my welding.
Although penetration looks pretty good, the beads are not too straight.
It's fixed and the truck handles much better.
1972 F250 Custom Sport Camper Special 4x2 360 2v C6 3.73
Soon to have a 104" wheelbase as part of a Broncification project
My FTE Website -- http://www.clubfte.com/users/mlf72f250/index.html
My Galleries -- https://www.ford-trucks.com/user_gallery/displaygallery.php?userid=1108
I decided not to post pictures of my welding.
Although penetration looks pretty good, the beads are not too straight.
It's fixed and the truck handles much better.
1972 F250 Custom Sport Camper Special 4x2 360 2v C6 3.73
Soon to have a 104" wheelbase as part of a Broncification project
My FTE Website -- http://www.clubfte.com/users/mlf72f250/index.html
My Galleries -- https://www.ford-trucks.com/user_gallery/displaygallery.php?userid=1108
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Glad to hear you got it fixed. If you encounter any future problems you may need to box the frame in that area. Chevy guys have to do this all the time. Don't ask how I know, I don't own a chevy but I know some suckers who do. Pulling them out of the mud all the time.
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