I would have to agree with knobby460. If joegarf wants an all around good tire than the bfg MTs would be a good choice. If he really wants a mud tire than he should obviously get something else. I wouldnt mind having a pair of the SSR radials, but thats me. I've run Cooper STs up here in Montana and they've been a good all around tire.

 

>I realize the post said tires comparable to, but Hellooooo!
>I thought the title said mud tires..... and y'all are
>pushing the BFG's!!!??? Have any of you actually used them
>IN THE MUD? They are terrible in any mud that is thicker
>than water. The don't self clean at all, and the sidewall is
>as tough as a kid's ballon! As for the 16.5 inch size, quite
>a few manufacturers make the. Try Interco for a start. Of
>course, the above is my opinion, but having BFG's on my
>truck for an excruciating 9 months I feel qualified to put
>the BFG tires down.

Did you have the old BFG muds? Because the knew ones they just came out with about a year ago are much better.



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Justin - One Happy FTE Member

 

I assume my pairs were the older ones. I've read articles on the 'new' ones, and maybe they are better, but the tread still limits them as a mud tire. As I said before, if I were on the street all the time, then the BFG would be excellent. However, having to rely on them offroad away from most help, I am not a big fan. Again, these are opinions, and as such everybody's opinions are equal!

 

My dad has the grabber m/t tires and he has 40,000 thousand miles on them and they still have a good 10,000 miles left.My personal opiono on these tires is good mud {not a swamper but pretty respective} great street and good in the snow and ice.I like this tire more then i did my bfg m/t ad there cheaper just my 2 cents
794wd

 

KNOBBY4604X4 - I certainly respect and value your opinion regarding the BFG Mud tires. It's personal experience like YOURS that contributes to someone like me making a well informed decicision regarding what tires to buy next!

I think what really hit home was your comment regarding deep ruts on a 4x4 trail - We cetainly know that ruts at a job site (which i drive over and through on a daily basis) are far more different then those we may find on an off road trail or logging road. Those ruts can be VERY deep, and the only way to climb out and in is to use the SIDEWALL of the tire. I'm looking for a good mud tire that offers just that.

Also, I want a mud tire that offers fair traction on ice and snow, just enough to get me from home to the trail head and back home where i can change over to my all terrains. Most important is how that mud tire is going to allow me to use it's sidewall to climb out of an deep rut . I sometimes air down to 16lbs to ensure that I maximze my traction, but I rely on a STRONG sidewall to finish the job.

Now I realize that not everyone will put their mud tires to this kind of use, so perhaps some other brand name tires are more then acceptable to many if they don't do hardcore off roading.

I have had my fair share of blowing out a sidewall due to rocks, and I agree changing your tire on an off camber trail when your rig is winched to a tree to prevent it from sliding further into a big mess is no fun.

I'm currently running Mud Kings, they clean OK, but they lack in sidewall bite.

I've noticed applause for the BFG - does anyone else have some sidewall climbing experience with this tire? Has anyone blown a sidewall prematurely in their opinon when scruffing a rock or root when on the trail?

Cheers'

 

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 10-Nov-02 AT 10:34 PM (EST)]you have to realize that just about any tire will blow the sidewall out givvin the right conditions. if you are that worried about side lug traction go with the swamper boggers they seem to be the best for everything, mud and massive side lugs. but you did state that you wanted an all around mud tire and as far as i know BFG offers the only mud terrain with a decent side lug on it. if you are worried about it, just buy a spare or two so you wont have to fix a tire on the work site or on the trail. it almost sounds to me like you are wantin something better than just a mud terrain. swampers are very good tires for mud and side wall traction (i have the TSL/SX and they look and perform AWSOME in everything, street drivin isnt the best but if i wanted a good street tire i would have bout a street tire)and if you rotate em and keep em balanced they will last a long time. and the swampers cost just about 20 bucks more that a BFG mud per tire for the same size.
'75 F-100 4x4, 4" lift
35x15.5x15 super swamper TSL/SX
mini-spooled 9" rear end
390 w/ cam,headers,
and 4 barrell edelbrock

TRIED TRUE and FORD BLUE

 

well guy i don't really know but hey like you guys said yeah bfg are a good street and grandpa truck tire i think but i personaly don't really like any just radial mud terrian i have ran tons of tires,bfg,a couple other mud terrians,all terrians, super swamper tsl,sx tsl's,thornibirds,boggers,ground hawgs,super swamper radials,baja claws i ran tons of tires damn i just thought about it. i liked the boggers and ground hawgs the best. but hey i entered the side by side mud races up here in california with a set of(i am not joking)bald bfg mud terrians they were bald like had little holes in the knobbys from being so bald and i placed 5th out of 35 trucks i just aired them down to like 8 psi, but hey is isnt all the tires its the truck i had a set of boggers on then i would have got like 3rd or 4th.

 

The old BFG mud terrain was more like an all terrain in my opinion. It was so so at best but still had a good reputation. The sidewall treads were minor and small and the contact patch was medocore. The new BFG mud has a much larger contact patch (i've seen imprent pictures in magazines) and the sidewall treads are much much better. I have used mine off road in deep sticky mud and they worked nicely even on my old 2wd truck. They cleaned ok but as long as you keep them spinning you're good. I'm not sure what number of ply's the old muds had but the new ones are 3 ply and are respectfully strong in my opinion. I agree that any tire will blow given the right situation. I did a lot of research on these tires before I bought them. I own a set of the new BFGs and have had them for about 15k miles. They are not overly loud on the street. They do a great job and I'd buy them again. I do both street driving and off road with them. When aired down they really start to shine with the extra sidewall treads over the old mud terrain. Look at BFgoodrichtires.com and they have some closer pictures of the sidewall tread. I love these tires and they have an excellent reputation. It would not out perform a dedicated mud tire but they hold their own weight and they hold it up very well. It's not something you'd run at a mud bog but they perform off road well through my experiences. The new BFG mud is my suggestion.


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Justin - One Happy FTE Member

 

 

I noticed that the concern of snow driving was mentioned. The mud terrains do a good job, if not better than an all terrain. However, no matter if you have an all terrain or a mud terrain, it will not help you on ice/hard hard packed snow. I highly highly highly suggest a dedicated snow tire and 4 of them. I mentioned my experience in this thread a few posts ago and IMO an all terrain is crappy in the snow. If you want a tire that will ride well on the street, ride as good as an all terrain in the snow, do a good job (I reserved the word "great" for a dedicated mud tire) in the mud, has good sidewall tread, the NEW BFG mud terrain is what I suggest.


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95' F-150 XLT 4x4, 302, 5 spd, MSD 6A, Flowmaster Exhaust, Sunroof, Clear corners w/ Diamond headlights, CD player with 2 10" subs and some 32" BFG Muds .

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Justin - One Happy FTE Member

 

i know no one else here is gonna like these tires but what about pro comp mud terrians. i had some on my ranger 4x4 and they were great in rain cause they got sipping in the middle of the tread unlike the bfg mud terrians. on my new truck now i have bfg mud terrians. i could have gotten pro comp mud terrians for about $350 cheaper than the bfg;s but i wanted bfgs cause i liked how they look way better than the pro comps and i just wanted to try them cause everyone always says how good they are. ive only had them about 4 days but so far they;ve done great!

 

Your best mud tire is a Bogger, period. I believe your best street/with some mudplay is the BFG M/T. But what I wanted to add was on the question of ice performance, and why some tires do better. Mud tires do good in deep snow, because they clean out like in mud, and poorer on ice or hardpack because most of them lack any SIPING. Siping makes a huge difference on ice performance, as every sipe acts to grip the ice. Siping also helps in wet conditions, this is why all passenger car tires are siped. Anyways, personally I like the BFG over the Trxus for a dual purpose, BUT if you are looking for the strongest sidewall and performance on wet/icy condionions the Trxus wins out. Surprisingly, the Trxus is a siped tire, while the BFG is not. Anyways, just thought I'd point this out even though I'm not overly fond of the Trxus it does sound exactly like what you want.

 

The best mud tire is the BOGGER no questions asked. Unless a person could fit a set of tractor tires under their truck without breaking anything and having enough horsepower to turn them.
I wish I had a monster truck, even though they break parts you would be unstopable at the mud pits.
Anybody want to donate me about $200,000.

 

Well I might as well throw in my 2 cents. I had the BFG M/T's on my old truck(Dodge Dakota 4X4)(2 sets) and it was a great street tire and off road tire. I got about 40k out of each set. And they got me out of most any places I would venture. I never busted any sidewalls, but I wasn't rock crawling or root digging, so to speak. My second set on it was the KM's.

On my new truck I put on a pair of Buckshot Mudders on because they were about $360 bucks cheaper and I wanted to buy a boat with the extra money I saved. After about 10k on them, I noticed that they do not clean as well as the BFG's in the mud but I am not sure if the larger tire and heavier truck has anything to do with that. However the buckshots do alot better in the rain then the BFG's did. They have sipping in them like the procomps or other rain/snow/mud tires do. I haven't been stuck in them yet, and I have done some pretty moderate mudding. The tire wear seems to be a little more than on the BFG's.

Overall, I would still pick the the BFG's and just go get the tire sipped. It 's a great tire for moderate off road use. And I have never busted any sidewalls or had any flats on the trail with them.

 

It all goes back to usage - the harder the use, the tougher the tire must be....sometimes the 'ol fave BFG can't get it done, sometimes it can.