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Old Oct 21, 2008 | 04:40 AM
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Electric choke

Hey folks,
this isn't truck related, but the principal should be the same.
I bought a used ATV that has startup and idle problems. Get it started the first time and it's fine the rest of the day (just doesn't idle so good). I cleaned and adjusted the carb to get it as best as possible, but, as I couldn't find individual parts, it needs a new carb. The original carb costs more than I paid for the quad to begin with, so I ebayed it and found a new (rebuilt?) one for the same CC and inlet/outlet measurements.
The new carb has electric choke though, and I don't know how to hook it up.
It's got a plug w/ 3 wires (yellow, green, and green/black). The yellow and green go into the carb (choke) and the green/black has a female plug on it.
Does this sound familiar enough for someone to tell me how to make things work?

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Old Oct 21, 2008 | 06:47 AM
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Can`t help on the wiring but if it was me, I would convert the choke to manual operation.
 
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Old Oct 21, 2008 | 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Lazy K
Can`t help on the wiring but if it was me, I would convert the choke to manual operation.
If I understood how it worked, I would. I'm a little thiskheaded on this newer stuff. Expected to see a butterfly that opened and shut to choke, but this setup looks like a needle valve.

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Old Oct 21, 2008 | 11:37 AM
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ATV's, and motorcycles use CV(constant velocity) carburators, typically they have a butterfly that is operated by the throttle lever and a slide valve that is vacuum operated, this slide valve is attached to the main needle jet.

You need to figure out the brand and model number this carb, once you have that it shouldn't be too hard to find a manual for it.. either online or from a small engine distributor.
 
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Old Oct 21, 2008 | 02:08 PM
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This likely won't be a "choke" per se, but probably a seperate enrichener circuit.

Do you have any idea what it came off of?
 
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Old Oct 21, 2008 | 02:24 PM
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Done some research. Honda have a similar sounding system called a "bystarter". It, however, is only two wire. The Honda one heats the little needle and after about 10min the needle extends, blocking off the excess fuel. The resistance in the heater circuit should be about 4ohms, if that helps. It is possible that your carb has an extra wire for some sort of controller. The needle assembly can be removed from the Honda carb and connected across a 12v battery and after about 10min the needle can be seen to extend about 1/4in. Hope this helps.
 
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Old Oct 22, 2008 | 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by ArdWrknTrk
This likely won't be a "choke" per se, but probably a seperate enrichener circuit.

Do you have any idea what it came off of?
No, But this is it (link). Stamped on it is KF (Japan) and the number HG05JL11.

eBay Motors: Carburetor For ATV Quad Gokart Moped 250cc30mm(NO2 only (item 200255438285 end time Oct-13-08 03:04:35 PDT)

Of the 3 wires at the plug, 2 go inside the carb and one is extra.

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Old Oct 22, 2008 | 01:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Lazy K
Done some research. Honda have a similar sounding system called a "bystarter". It, however, is only two wire. The Honda one heats the little needle and after about 10min the needle extends, blocking off the excess fuel. The resistance in the heater circuit should be about 4ohms, if that helps. It is possible that your carb has an extra wire for some sort of controller. The needle assembly can be removed from the Honda carb and connected across a 12v battery and after about 10min the needle can be seen to extend about 1/4in. Hope this helps.
So,
the choke is automatically on (closed) and has to have voltage in order to open up? Or, am I being thick headed?

If it's as simple as hooking a hot to one wire and a ground to the other, I'm in there!!

Thanks, Dave

The quad is a Jainshe (China) but the parts are supposed to be Yamaha (Bear Tracker or Bruin).
 
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Old Oct 22, 2008 | 07:44 AM
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Yes on the Honda choke one wire to ground and one to 12v. The 12v have to be supplied at all times while the engine is running. The resistance of the heater for the choke should be around 4ohms so you could check that out by putting a mulit-meter across the two wires on your carb. Also, with a meter, check each of the two wires to see if either is grounded to the carb body.
As far as I can see the choke needle is in a housing with some wax. The wax is heated by the electric heater element. The wax slowly expands as the temperature rises and gradually pushes the needle out and so the fuel mixture is returned to normal running. Anyway do the electrical checks on your carb and take it from there. Good luck with it.
 
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Old Oct 22, 2008 | 01:04 PM
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Got it under control now! Thanks folks. I'll put the new carb on this weekend. Be nice to start up without a drumroll and can of ether.

Dave
 
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