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Has anyone put a roll cage inside their excursion? It was a thought I had when I saw some pics of wrecked excursions. I have a fear of having a wreck with my children inside. Does anyone know what kind of cost is involved with installing a cage? And, would you need a complete cage or could you have 3 or 4 single roll bars?
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this has been talked about before with scattered opinions. The first question would be WHY you want the cage.
Are you scared to drive it because it's so big?
Are you afraid it's going to flip over?
The weight concerns you?
Not to sound like a smarta_ _ but does this factor in with any vehicle you have?
The X will hold its own with any other passenger vehicle on the road or it would not be legal for it to be ON the road.
Cages are a pain, I have 2 vehicles with them, both purpose built and NOT everyday drivers.
They are expensive(or time consuming if you do your own)
They take up a HUGE amount of space.
You have to cut holes in the vehicle which you will not be able to seal well.
Chances are you just killed any resale value.
That being said...it's possible, just depends what you're willing to sacrifice.
Are you scared to drive it because it's so big?
Are you afraid it's going to flip over?
The weight concerns you?
Not to sound like a smarta_ _ but does this factor in with any vehicle you have?
The X will hold its own with any other passenger vehicle on the road or it would not be legal for it to be ON the road.
Cages are a pain, I have 2 vehicles with them, both purpose built and NOT everyday drivers.
They are expensive(or time consuming if you do your own)
They take up a HUGE amount of space.
You have to cut holes in the vehicle which you will not be able to seal well.
Chances are you just killed any resale value.
That being said...it's possible, just depends what you're willing to sacrifice.
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The only reason I would want one, would be for potential roll overs in an wreck. I am not worried about the size, I've driven big vehicles all my life. I am not worried about collisions either, it already has the advantage compared to other vehicles. I am only concerned with the roof collapsing if it were to roll over.
I understand there would be a lot of cutting involved. I am just curious if there is a practical way to do this without breaking the bank, and it still be useable for daily driving.
I understand there would be a lot of cutting involved. I am just curious if there is a practical way to do this without breaking the bank, and it still be useable for daily driving.
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the roof in no more likely to collapse than any other vehicle on the road, too many factors to predict how it would hit, speed, rotation, etc
the long and short is, in order to effectively make a cage that would protect the majority of the passenger compartment you would end up with diagonal bars you would have to climb over to get in each seat and there would be"spreaders" dividing each row of seats..
I worked fire/rescue for a long time, no vehicle is safe in the wrong circumstances
a cage can also work against you in some cases...with a cage there are no"crumple zones"
the long and short is, in order to effectively make a cage that would protect the majority of the passenger compartment you would end up with diagonal bars you would have to climb over to get in each seat and there would be"spreaders" dividing each row of seats..
I worked fire/rescue for a long time, no vehicle is safe in the wrong circumstances
a cage can also work against you in some cases...with a cage there are no"crumple zones"
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That depends on how you define practical, like bcrewcaptian points out if the expense, loss of space, cutting holes that are hard to seal, killing resale value and or your time is considered practical then go for it, as for me it is not practical and I also have 2 kids a wife and my German Shepard that I haul around on camping trips with my TT.
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also, remember that a rollbar installed in a daily driver is often more dangerous than not having at all.
The first time your kid smaks his/her skull on it you'll regret putting it in there.
Roll bars are meant for race cars where the occupants are wearing helmets and body should not come in contact with it.
The first time your kid smaks his/her skull on it you'll regret putting it in there.
Roll bars are meant for race cars where the occupants are wearing helmets and body should not come in contact with it.
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I've thought about it too, mostly to build to a rifle rack on the roof. I've never thought of a way to make it look pretty.
If I had a bender, I would try fab-ing up a single hoop for behind the front seat. In your application I would mount it behind the second row.
I've played around with the single hoop, and low kickers that follow the seat so they aren't in the way. Perhaps a pair for the front and rear seats and then some simple cross ties to connect them. However, I can't make it pretty, it always ends up looking like junk in my head.
If I had a bender, I would try fab-ing up a single hoop for behind the front seat. In your application I would mount it behind the second row.
I've played around with the single hoop, and low kickers that follow the seat so they aren't in the way. Perhaps a pair for the front and rear seats and then some simple cross ties to connect them. However, I can't make it pretty, it always ends up looking like junk in my head.
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I've thought about it too, mostly to build to a rifle rack on the roof. I've never thought of a way to make it look pretty.
If I had a bender, I would try fab-ing up a single hoop for behind the front seat. In your application I would mount it behind the second row.
I've played around with the single hoop, and low kickers that follow the seat so they aren't in the way. Perhaps a pair for the front and rear seats and then some simple cross ties to connect them. However, I can't make it pretty, it always ends up looking like junk in my head.
If I had a bender, I would try fab-ing up a single hoop for behind the front seat. In your application I would mount it behind the second row.
I've played around with the single hoop, and low kickers that follow the seat so they aren't in the way. Perhaps a pair for the front and rear seats and then some simple cross ties to connect them. However, I can't make it pretty, it always ends up looking like junk in my head.
it may make a good coat/gun/backpack holder, but anything that would be functional givin the weight and size of our rigs will be FAR thicker than most cages,
for a functional cage, designed to actually hold up, not FOLD up and trap in you in, it's going to be a little closer to this
cages are all about triangulation for strength and for the X, thats gonna be a LOT of triangles....
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A full roll cage would never work with 4 children. I'll just have to keep praying that we don't have a roll over. I don't want to be the one to test the strength of the roof pillars.
Thanks for all the replys. I knew someone on here would have some experience will roll cages.
Thanks for all the replys. I knew someone on here would have some experience will roll cages.
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I pray I don't have a rollover in any vehicle...
my rockcrawler on the other hand, seems to do it often...but its built for it, and thats at under 5mph if bad things happen...5pt harness and a helmet helps too
drive safe and don't worry so much
my rockcrawler on the other hand, seems to do it often...but its built for it, and thats at under 5mph if bad things happen...5pt harness and a helmet helps too
drive safe and don't worry so much
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I think the main weak spot is the A-Pillars. (pillars next to the windshield) Only problem is youd need at least a 6/8 point cage which would have diagnal bars going across all 4 entry doors I think. They do make bars that can swing out and a pin holds em when closed, or bars with bends to make entry easier. Reallly though anything you build is gonna be intrusive and ugly. I loked around a lil inside a lil with an idea like this a fe wtimes, and theres just no way to tuck it safely out of the way (you deffinatly do NOT want to hit one of these bars without a helmet on!) and no way to make it not a complete eyesore for an every day car.
I know a guy that built quite a few cages and I'll see if I can get an opinion form him on just beefing up the A-Pillar portion (that seems to be the most common/sever failure point) but I dont think any of us would want to live with what it would take to be done right.
I know a guy that built quite a few cages and I'll see if I can get an opinion form him on just beefing up the A-Pillar portion (that seems to be the most common/sever failure point) but I dont think any of us would want to live with what it would take to be done right.
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I think the main weak spot is the A-Pillars. (pillars next to the windshield) Only problem is youd need at least a 6/8 point cage which would have diagnal bars going across all 4 entry doors I think. They do make bars that can swing out and a pin holds em when closed, or bars with bends to make entry easier. Reallly though anything you build is gonna be intrusive and ugly. I loked around a lil inside a lil with an idea like this a fe wtimes, and theres just no way to tuck it safely out of the way (you deffinatly do NOT want to hit one of these bars without a helmet on!) and no way to make it not a complete eyesore for an every day car.
I know a guy that built quite a few cages and I'll see if I can get an opinion form him on just beefing up the A-Pillar portion (that seems to be the most common/sever failure point) but I dont think any of us would want to live with what it would take to be done right.
I know a guy that built quite a few cages and I'll see if I can get an opinion form him on just beefing up the A-Pillar portion (that seems to be the most common/sever failure point) but I dont think any of us would want to live with what it would take to be done right.
even with the a-pillar braced, there is nothing bracing it...unless you take a perfectly straight rollover..IE..not moving forward or backward...it'll just fold right over again
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