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Old Sep 23, 2008 | 08:01 PM
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Broken timing cover V-10?? Help!

Hey everybody. I just bought a 200o Excursion, V-10. Bought it cheap, not running. The timing cover is broke just below the drivers side valve cover, around the cam sensor. As a matter of fact, the piece of timing cover is hanging there by the cam sensor wiring. The internal side of the cam sensor is broken also. The timing chain is intact. I have felt up in the hole, and the cam gear is there. I won't have the truck home until Friday, but just wondered if anybody had ran in to anything like this before. Oil is clean and full, no metal or coolant. I love the truck and hope for a reasonable repair. Any help is appreciated!
 
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Old Sep 24, 2008 | 07:08 AM
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Not on a V-10 but if it were mine, I'd be curious about what caused the failure. It would be a lot of work to change the front cover only to have it break again. Look carefully before you button it back up...and let us know what you find!!

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Old Sep 26, 2008 | 04:29 PM
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Well, just an update here. I got the truck home today. I pulled the valve cover and found the bolt that holds the cam gear in place was actually broken off in the cam. I was able to remove the broken bolt, and replaced it with a new bolt and washer from Ford. I decided at this point to roll the engine over before going any further to see how it sounded. Not good. It turned over hard, then procedded to shear the bolt off again. The camshaft appears to be froze up. Engine turned over fine as soon as the bolt broke. I am at a loss on this one. Now I am having thoughts of piston/valve damage. Any thoughts other than a For Sale sign?
 
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Old Sep 26, 2008 | 06:02 PM
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Well at this point pull the valve cover to see if all the valve gear is in place and maybe something is broke that's binding the camshaft.
 
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Old Sep 27, 2008 | 08:23 AM
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Valve cover is off, and everything appears to be intact. Balance shaft can be rocked back and forth slightly, but cam wont budge. Keyway in end of cam is sheared off. Appears that the cam froze up for some reason and broke the bolt and keyway. I am going to tear a little further into it this morning. Will keep everybody posted as to what I find. Kinda blind, because I bought this thing from a tow yard, so I have no history whatsoever.
 
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Old Sep 27, 2008 | 09:14 AM
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I have never needed to tear into one of these mod motor yet, and I have two a 5.4 and 6.8 and just sold my 97 Expy with the 5.4 and it had 192K when I sold it to buy the 05 Ex, so your further than I've been and would be interested in what you find.
 
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Old Sep 27, 2008 | 10:02 AM
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hi ,pull the head. or find a good used motor. take pics of what you find in thev10 we want to see!!!!
 
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Old Sep 27, 2008 | 10:36 AM
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I agree. By the time your done tearing it apart and fixing it, you would probably be farther ahead, to get a low mileage used engine. Take the junk engine out put a good one in and be done with it. Thats what I would do anyway.


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hi ,pull the head. or find a good used motor. take pics of what you find in thev10 we want to see!!!!
 
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Old Sep 27, 2008 | 11:47 AM
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Sure I agree about getting a low mile used engine, but why not try to see what the failure was it's already dead so why not try and learn something.
 
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Old Sep 27, 2008 | 11:59 AM
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Well, the camshaft is frozen. The fourth cam cap is actually stuck to the camshaft, and the third one is heavily scored, like it was near freezing up as well. I'm guessing lack of oil, wrong type of oil, or irregular oil changes maybe sludged up the oil passages. I haven't figured out yet how I am going to move forward yet. Possibly a head replacement. I really don't have the money for an engine right now. I did find a deal on one with 80k miles for $1500, which I thought was pretty fair.
 
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Old Sep 27, 2008 | 01:40 PM
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$1500 not bad considering a reman long block is about $3000.00
 
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Old Sep 27, 2008 | 01:41 PM
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So hope you don't mind me asking what did you pay for the EX and how many miles are on it?
 
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Old Sep 28, 2008 | 09:16 AM
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I paid $1500 for it with 117k miles on it. Loaded XLT, very clean, 4X4. Black with tan leather. I am in the truck cheap enough that I feel it's worth fixing for sure.
 
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Old Sep 28, 2008 | 09:27 AM
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Sure for another $1500 and if all else is ok you should have a nice ride.
 
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Old Sep 28, 2008 | 10:57 AM
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A friend of mine was running 20w50 in his 5.4 and did this very same thing. You just can't convince some people that these new engines will not tolerate thicker oils.
 
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