diesel just went down to 4.08 here and with the exxon mastercard i can get 30 cents off, so if i hook up a slip tank and run my rear tank lines and sending unit to the slip tank i can get red dye for 3.31 a gallon ( with the 30 cents off ) if they dip the tanks all they will find is clear

 

I know some people that thought that also.

But it didn't work out like they thought it would.

100 gallon tank in the bed, with red fuel in it.
A quick check of the fuel in the filter, busted.

6000 dollars later, they were back on the road again, no tank in the bed.

Those guys that dip tanks have seen everything at one time or another.
Between the fine, court costs and all that crap, it is not worth running red fuel.

All it takes is one time, and your savings for a couple years worth of driving just became a negative (red) number.

 

they have to have probable cause to search that far into the rig. what would give that much cause? its not like they can get your fuel records to see what you have purchased

 

The red diesel in the bed tank might be enough probable cause?
But I don't know???????

 

you gotta realize, in troy and libby montucky, its rare to see a truck WITHOUT a slip tank

 

I do excavation and frequently have a 100 gallon off road fuel tank in my bed.

The tank is complete with an electric pump, hose and nozzle for filling up the equipment.
I also have a uniform shirt that has excavation on the company name.

More than once after my tanks were dipped, they looked under the bed for hoses.
When they start looking down, I just hit the dump switch and say here let me make it easy for you.


I have said this many times before, the highway use tax all goes to fixing the roads and building new ones.
As I drive down many of the roads to jobs here and there, the highway use tax is the only tax I don't mind paying.
Some of our roads are terrible.

Right now the WV highway use tax is 53.4 cents per gallon.
So 100 gallons of fuel have enough tax to buy a ton of blacktop.
A ton of blacktop covers an area 9 feet x 9 feet one inch thick.
And a truck, workmen, equipment and fuel is needed to get that ton of blacktop to the hole and installed.

Just something to think about when you hit the next pothole.

 

I still say they squander half of the fuel tax too.
No gov't agency uses money wisely and a lot of it just flat-out goes into somebody's pocket for doing nothing.
If they were actually using the money for the roads like they are supposed to there wouldn't be a pothole anywhere to drive into.
I've paid every red cent of gas tax on every gallon of gas/diesel I've ever bought and a lot of it has been used off-road, I definitely haven't gotten my money's worth.

 

Waste is the government way.

As fast as I say that, I also have to say that I am very aware of how much it costs to build or repair roads.

I can also say that I have been in every state in the continental US, and there are bad roads in every one of them.

If the roads are in the shape they are now, less money will mean the roads will get worse.

I can also say that I heard figures of something like 10 million less miles being driven in WV in the month of June this year than there were in the month of June last year which was attributed to the high fuel costs for both gas and diesel.

10 million miles means a lot less money to fix the roads just because people are not driving as much.

We suffer with taxes.
We suffer more if the taxes aren't paid in.

Looks like the people spending the taxes are the problem.
That problem starts in your local town and extends to the president.
Everyone in between the two listed above are also included.

All those nice projects the politicains talk about, remember you will be paying for them.

 

That's exactly right but that IS still the problem. Us giving the gov't more money only wastes more of our money.
They make our fuel less efficient so we have to buy more of it which gives them more fuel tax, remember we pay per gallon not per mile.
They tell us the tax is fair because heavier vehicles that cause more road wear will naturally get worse mileage and burn more fuel, that sounds fair. By the same token if people are driving less there will be less need for repair and new construction. We should see no drop in the quality of the roads no matter how little or much people drive.

One of my friends works for the State Hwy. Dept. he is very conservative like me and he says the waste is even worse than we think it is. Lots of people doing little or nothing and getting a paycheck.

My cousin works for Morton Industries (the salt people) they build road striping equipment and the paint. I asked him why they don't come up with a "super paint" for the roads. He said they already have but the gov'ts won't use it because they have a set way of doing things and that's the way they're going to keep doing it.

As a taxpayer all of the waste pisses me off and I can't feel good about it. Especially when they back-door us on ethanol etc. and then want or demand more. The gov't is supposed to work for us, not the other way around. I'm not saying maintaining or especially building roads is cheap but it costs US WAY TOO MUCH!

 

it's hard for me to comprehend getting tanks dipped in a pick up truck. i've driven 10's of thousands of miles with "red-pop" i've been all over the east coast,connecticut,new jersey, pennsylvania, tennessee, north carolina,indiana,kentucky,virginia, etc.etc. and some of these places multiple times and i've never been dipped. i run a 105 gallon L shaped transfer tank that my tool box slides in on the back side of it, and it's got a electric pump with a hose and nozzle. i just stop and make sure there is no police or dot's around and fill er up. 1 time i had a state highway patrol pull up close to where i was while i was filling up at a rest area and didn't pay no attention. granted my heart beat was at least 30,000 when i saw him and i got the hell out of there but it was with out incident. that's the closest call i've had ever running red. later, pete

 

I have seen a VW Diesel Rabbit get it's tank dipped.

When WV sets up a fuel check, every diesel vehicle that comes down the road gets dipped.


All I can say is if the fines in your state are like they are here, if you ever get stopped you will wish you had never run the red.

 

I've heard of guys around here getting dipped at Rodeos, Logging Conferences etc. but it's pretty rare.
I'll bet the states that don't check very often have at least as big of fines, maybe higher, when/if they do catch you.

 

last time i heard it was 15k for runnin red here. ive accidentally left the cap off and went down the road in the winter and had pink snow on the side of the truck.... never made that mistake again.

ive never seen a truck get dipped around here we dont have the man power for tedious little things around here. we have a few city cops a couple county's and a few hy-po's

 

Went WV checks tanks it is not the police, state, county or local.

WV Department of Tax and Revenue, Criminal Investigation Division

And they have absolutely no sense of humor at all.

5000 dollar minimum fine, court costs, and the vehicle may not be driven until taxed fuel is in the tank and all non taxed fuel removed in an enviromentally safe method.
That means a tow bill to an appproved garage.

All that boils down to a headache and money problem I don't need to save 50 cents per gallon on fuel.
10,000 gallons of fuel without being caught would save enough to pay the fine and still leave me court costs and a tow bill short of breaking even.

 

LOL no they do NOT!!!