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meat packing workers fired.
U.S. meatpacking workers lose jobs in religious dispute - International Herald Tribune
whats your take on this?
I think its about time some on stood up to them,
i dont get x-mas, new years, easter, or any other Christan holiday
off nor do i get prayer time while im at work.
keep it clean guys
whats your take on this?
I think its about time some on stood up to them,
i dont get x-mas, new years, easter, or any other Christan holiday
off nor do i get prayer time while im at work.
keep it clean guys
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From the article:
"With any new ethnic or religious groups, there is an adjustment period as the group becomes part of the American social fabric," Hooper said.
The American social fabric is the private property of - guess? - Americans. They therefore have a right to decide if they desire to have their social fabric adjusted to suit foreigners or not. Maybe they do, that's a valid choice. But maybe they don't, and that's just as valid a choice. Americans don't owe it to anyone to change their society to suit them.
"With any new ethnic or religious groups, there is an adjustment period as the group becomes part of the American social fabric," Hooper said.
The American social fabric is the private property of - guess? - Americans. They therefore have a right to decide if they desire to have their social fabric adjusted to suit foreigners or not. Maybe they do, that's a valid choice. But maybe they don't, and that's just as valid a choice. Americans don't owe it to anyone to change their society to suit them.
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Well,This calls for a "Swift" response!
They need to get down to the "meat" of the matter!
What really "grinds" me is,,,if you cant work the 8 hrs you agreed to,,,QUIT!
In other words,,start "packing"!
They need to get down to the "meat" of the matter!
What really "grinds" me is,,,if you cant work the 8 hrs you agreed to,,,QUIT!
In other words,,start "packing"!
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So, if I moved from Amsterdam, does that mean I can smoke my Hippy sticks on my breaks or when I feel I need to praise something... as long as I do it in the name of religion and praise the Almighty One legged green midgets during the "Adjustment " period ?
This is BS, Same deal awhile back here with them coming here and joining the RCMP but allowed to alter our Uniformed look that we have had for generations to suit their religion or beliefs, carrying their own ceremonial daggers and headgear and such....
If you can't accept the society your living in for what it is MOVE BACK HOME or to another Country...
This is BS, Same deal awhile back here with them coming here and joining the RCMP but allowed to alter our Uniformed look that we have had for generations to suit their religion or beliefs, carrying their own ceremonial daggers and headgear and such....
If you can't accept the society your living in for what it is MOVE BACK HOME or to another Country...
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The company wants it both ways. Immigrants will work for less pay than an American. But when these people want the things that are expected of them in their culture, the company expects them to behave like American employees and leave their religion out of the workplace.
We should blame our own governments, and the corporate lobbyists who make our laws. We bring in all these immigrants because business wants to keep wages low. They don't care where they live or who pays for their kids to go to school. Long as they make money.
If you think things are bad now, wait 20 years. All these immigrants are having huge families and their kids will want to go to college, whether their parents have the means to send them or not. Guess who will pay for that.
Why not?
We should blame our own governments, and the corporate lobbyists who make our laws. We bring in all these immigrants because business wants to keep wages low. They don't care where they live or who pays for their kids to go to school. Long as they make money.
If you think things are bad now, wait 20 years. All these immigrants are having huge families and their kids will want to go to college, whether their parents have the means to send them or not. Guess who will pay for that.
Why not?
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When I lived in Saudi Arabia, I didn't get to openly practice my religion. Why should these people be accommodated? Why are they in our country? We've got people that need a job. They can leave.
Also, don't give me this crap that the company can't find Americans to do the work. They CAN find Americans, if they pay an appropriate wage.
Also, don't give me this crap that the company can't find Americans to do the work. They CAN find Americans, if they pay an appropriate wage.
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U.S. meatpacking workers lose jobs in religious dispute - International Herald Tribune
whats your take on this?
I think its about time some on stood up to them,
i dont get x-mas, new years, easter, or any other Christan holiday
off nor do i get prayer time while im at work.
keep it clean guys
whats your take on this?
I think its about time some on stood up to them,
i dont get x-mas, new years, easter, or any other Christan holiday
off nor do i get prayer time while im at work.
keep it clean guys
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When business says it can't produce its product or service without cheap immigrant labour what they're really saying is that their business model does not fit existing society.
Americans expect to earn a minimum of $x for their labour. But our business model requires us to pay workers only $y or we can't produce our product/serive competitively. So we're going to modify American society by importing cultural influences that lower the wage expectations of U.S. residents to suit our business model.
Americans expect to earn a minimum of $x for their labour. But our business model requires us to pay workers only $y or we can't produce our product/serive competitively. So we're going to modify American society by importing cultural influences that lower the wage expectations of U.S. residents to suit our business model.
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From the article:
"With any new ethnic or religious groups, there is an adjustment period as the group becomes part of the American social fabric," Hooper said.
The American social fabric is the private property of - guess? - Americans. They therefore have a right to decide if they desire to have their social fabric adjusted to suit foreigners or not. Maybe they do, that's a valid choice. But maybe they don't, and that's just as valid a choice. Americans don't owe it to anyone to change their society to suit them.
"With any new ethnic or religious groups, there is an adjustment period as the group becomes part of the American social fabric," Hooper said.
The American social fabric is the private property of - guess? - Americans. They therefore have a right to decide if they desire to have their social fabric adjusted to suit foreigners or not. Maybe they do, that's a valid choice. But maybe they don't, and that's just as valid a choice. Americans don't owe it to anyone to change their society to suit them.
And 100% agree with your statement in bold. I'm sick of having to "Press 1 for english".
It's really ironic, go to any other country that does not have english as it's primary language and they are all learning english as thier secondary language. Here in the US they want us to conform to thier ways, learn thier languages, etc.
I would like to make mincemeat of the whole affair.
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websthes, why not? because i am a Cadet in the merchant marine.
We do not stop the ship for holidays, regardless if it is religious or fedral we also work 7 days a week 8 hrs a day (2 four hour shifts) + overtime.
We do not stop the ship for holidays, regardless if it is religious or fedral we also work 7 days a week 8 hrs a day (2 four hour shifts) + overtime.
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Boy Dan,Do I agree with you! It just kills me when I get the press #1 for English crap,,,or watching people congregate at City Hall,,waving a flag from a different country. Where did the term,,"Adapting to the American way of life go"? If you dont like it here,,,GO HOME! Oh,,one other thing,,Press#1 for smacking the moron who came up with the "press#1" crap anyway!
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Well, where do I start. First off if you ever been to Greeley, Colorado you would know that right out side of town there is a sign that says All American Town. You go less than 8 blocks and every thing is in spanish. So I can see this happening. This happens all the time there. Sorry!!
So like King Triton says If you don't like it here,,,GO HOME!!
So true.
So like King Triton says If you don't like it here,,,GO HOME!!
So true.
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Most people get xmas and other holidays off (regardless of what religion they are, or arent) but due to your job I can see why they dont stop the ship haha.Just as these people knew the rules when going to work for the meat place, they should be concerned about doing their job well, not about their religion at work.
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This is just another example of the government bringing in immigrant workers to meet the demands of companies who want to keep wages low and profits high. What do expect is going to happen when a majority of these immagrants are religous fanatics whose entire life style revolves around things like "Ramada"?? Simular events have happened up here in Canada regarding the meat industry where not too long ago Lakeside Packers in Brooks Alberta were on strike and the Sudanease population of the work force became violet and in the frenzy even attacked there own Union President Doug O'Hallaren. These people came from a 3rd world country where war and genocide were a way of life so how do you expect them to adjust to a passive way of life here in North America?
All these companies have to do is keep the wages at par with inflation and there would be little need to bring in low cost labor. I know it just isn't that simple but the meat industry isn't suffering from low profits.
All these companies have to do is keep the wages at par with inflation and there would be little need to bring in low cost labor. I know it just isn't that simple but the meat industry isn't suffering from low profits.
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