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From: Fitzpatrick Alabama
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What starters will fit on our old trucks, will a Powerstroke Starter fit? I am really just curious I was working on my old 83 Welding truck and noticed it had the funniest looking starter I've ever seen, I can't figure out what it is, doesn't look anything like the starter on any other IDI I've ever seen, or my 97 Powerstroke. I was thinking it might be something off a newer powerstroke.
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From: Guymon
How old does it look. Is it bigger than the other starters? It could be a heavy duty starter. Does it look like this one listed below. This is the style we use on our 7.3 and powerstrokes but I never see them on personal vehicles. They seem to work very well.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-S...=p4506.c0.m245
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-S...=p4506.c0.m245
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From: Powell River B.C.
I didn't relize that a powerstroke starter would fit an IDI ... it looks like that's what you're saying? Great if that's the case.
How old does it look. Is it bigger than the other starters? It could be a heavy duty starter. Does it look like this one listed below. This is the style we use on our 7.3 and powerstrokes but I never see them on personal vehicles. They seem to work very well.
eBay Motors: NEW STARTER FOR FORD POWERSTROKE 7.3 DIESEL 1994-2003 (item 360080840143 end time Aug-26-08 08:09:50 PDT)
eBay Motors: NEW STARTER FOR FORD POWERSTROKE 7.3 DIESEL 1994-2003 (item 360080840143 end time Aug-26-08 08:09:50 PDT)
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From: Sweet Home, OR
You can put a Powerstroke starter on an IDI, it requires an adapter. My Dad does it at his shop all of the time. He fixed my Mitsubishi starter for $20 bucks and then used one of the core Mitsus to completely rebuild me one for a back-up. He tried and tried to get me to put a PS starter on mine but the Mitsu seems to work fine.
Now for the dumb reason: Mitsubishi and Dodge are, and have been for a few decades, in cahouts on a lot of vehicles so I'm still holding onto the last bit of "MOPAR" I can. Plus I just couldn't bring myself to put a PS starter on, I know it's really stupid but I don't like PSs very much. Although if the right deal came along on an Excursion..........
Now for the dumb reason: Mitsubishi and Dodge are, and have been for a few decades, in cahouts on a lot of vehicles so I'm still holding onto the last bit of "MOPAR" I can. Plus I just couldn't bring myself to put a PS starter on, I know it's really stupid but I don't like PSs very much. Although if the right deal came along on an Excursion..........
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From: Guymon
I know the style of starter that I posted above is the one for the 7.3 but as for the exact model, I can't remember since I have been on tractors for 1.5 years. I tend to forget. I think we put on the heavy duty denso starters on all our package cars with 7.3 and powerstrokes. I will check tonight and see if they will interchange. Its a great starter though. Some of these trucks get started over 100 times a day on these. Not to mention going through winter with the IDIs and a poorly maintained glowplug systems. They seem to turn the engine faster with less strain. Anyway I will get the exact model number for the starter if yall are interested. Its what Im going to put on mine when mine goes bad. Right now I got a small, cheap looking reman starter. (although it has lasted well over a year being used several times a day.
If I could fit one, I would stick a delco-remy 42MT on mine. I don't think I would ever need another starter again.
If I could fit one, I would stick a delco-remy 42MT on mine. I don't think I would ever need another starter again.
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I looked into this a while back when i had to change my starter, and from everything I received on this forum (and visual comparison), IDI and powerstroke starters do not interchange.
I put a Mitsu on mine and love it !
I put a Mitsu on mine and love it !
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From: Perry Georgia
Kinda off topic but I just changed my starter this afternoon. My starter wasn't the gear reduction starter but the one I took off was differant than the one I bought from O'reilly. I thought I got the wrong starter but they say that is the only one listed. The starter I took off came from Advance Auto if that helps. The old starter had what I would call a "nose" with a bearing support on the end. The new starter from Oreilly didn't have the "nose" with the bearing support, just the starter gear on the end of the shaft. I installed the new starter and it turned the 6.9 turn over just fine. I didn't see any name on the starter, just "MADE IN JAPAN". Any idea if it might be a Mitsubishi?
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From: Nutter Fort, WV
This is a Nippondenso, very common on the early 6.9 engines.
There is also another style of this starter that has a boxy motor instead of the round one.
This starter has the nightmare top bolt.
This is a Mitsubishi.
They have about three styles which are all close but slightly different.
This is the latest style, very easy to get the top bolt in and out, but hard to get between the cross member and engine.
I have never had a Delco starter on my engine.
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From: Sweet Home, OR
That's why you have to have an adapter plate.
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Delco-Remy 42MT......That brings back foggy memories of taking those off, putting them back on and rebuilding them.
You're right they sure would spin an IDI good. Think if you had a 24 volt version and got both of your batteries in-line cranking it!
When we changed them on-site you were usually alone, the WARN winch sure made it easier. We made a craddle for them so you could suspend it and bump it up and down while you got the bolts started. It's not impossible without but a lot easier WITH.
We used an 8274 mounted on a Dodge but if I had to do it now I'd use a little 12V winch instead with clips to hook on one of the truck's batteries.
Of course every truck or piece of equipment is different so you have to be creative when hanging the block.
You're right they sure would spin an IDI good. Think if you had a 24 volt version and got both of your batteries in-line cranking it!
When we changed them on-site you were usually alone, the WARN winch sure made it easier. We made a craddle for them so you could suspend it and bump it up and down while you got the bolts started. It's not impossible without but a lot easier WITH.
We used an 8274 mounted on a Dodge but if I had to do it now I'd use a little 12V winch instead with clips to hook on one of the truck's batteries.
Of course every truck or piece of equipment is different so you have to be creative when hanging the block.
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From: Guymon
They are fun to change. I just finally got one in our inventory at work. They have been using smaller starters that fail about every 6 months and I got tired of changing them (39MT) and they are trying out even a smaller mitsubish starter without a nosecone. (put on of those on tonight) So I now have 3, 42MTs installed on my fleet (one tonight). They arn't too bad to change on these trucks.
I also checked on the denso starters were putting on the 7.3 idi. I think they fit because the bell housing that mounts to the back of the engine supports that starter. I would think that this starter would fit a 7.3 attaced with an E40d since the e40d was used on the eairlier powerstrokes but I could be wrong. I will try it though!!!
I also checked on the denso starters were putting on the 7.3 idi. I think they fit because the bell housing that mounts to the back of the engine supports that starter. I would think that this starter would fit a 7.3 attaced with an E40d since the e40d was used on the eairlier powerstrokes but I could be wrong. I will try it though!!!
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From: Perry Georgia
The starter I took off Sunday afternoon looked like the Mitsubishi. The one I put back looked simular except it didn't have the nosecone with the bearing support on the far end and is smaller. Also the starter gear was on the end of the shaft at the end of the starter. After I got it installed it worked ok. Now today the master cylinder just died after picking up a ton of wood pellets. Talk about excitement, 150+ miles with very little brakes.
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Master cylinder or vacuum pump died?
A dead vacuum pump will make you think you have no brakes, or no power brakes at least.
Master cylinder problems usually mean the pedal is going to the floor.
A dead vacuum pump will make you think you have no brakes, or no power brakes at least.
Master cylinder problems usually mean the pedal is going to the floor.