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Old Jul 19, 2008 | 11:34 AM
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Premium gas?

New to this forum, so I hope this isn't one you've seen before. I just got an 08 V-10, 6spd manual, 4 x 4 with manual transfer case and hubs. Love the truck. I'm old school, used to thinking that premium is better for large displacement engines. Is it unnecessary? The owner's manual said regular but don't mind the light ping. Just interested in other opinions.
 
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Old Jul 19, 2008 | 11:55 AM
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Save your money and burn the regular. Higher octane doesn't mean better performane, in some instances it may even impede performance. The computer and engine are set up for regular. Hope this helps.
 
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Old Jul 19, 2008 | 12:49 PM
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Forget premium in a stock truck. You need a tune to wring out the benefits of higher octane fuel. I've been running 87 in my 10 since day one.
 
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Old Jul 19, 2008 | 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by dkf
Forget premium in a stock truck. You need a tune to wring out the benefits of higher octane fuel. I've been running 87 in my 10 since day one.
what he said. Octane is flame retardant - the higher the octane the slower it burns. if you use higher octane, you need to either tell the engine to ignite it sooner, or compress it more to obtain a more violent reaction. since compression requires new pistons, the tune, like DKF said, is the usual way they alter the timing of the spark to give the engine enough time to burn the slower burning gasoline.
 
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Old Jul 19, 2008 | 05:43 PM
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I've always ran regular, even when towing our 8K travel trailer in the mountains. The computer makes all the adjustments necessary so save the $$ for an extra takefull down the road!
 
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Old Jul 19, 2008 | 05:55 PM
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And don't forget the imcomplete burn of High octane fuel on a engine that is timed for 87. The delayed burn caused carbon deposits and will hurt engine performance and actaully cause detonation later in life while using 87.

Save money and keep the 87 in there. I have 93K miles on my V10 with nothing but 87
 
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Old Jul 19, 2008 | 08:02 PM
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Ditto since 2005, straight regular.
 
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Old Jul 20, 2008 | 09:18 AM
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I've only seen regular at 87 octane out here on the west coast. Is it true that in the Midwest you can get regular at 85 octane?

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Old Jul 20, 2008 | 04:04 PM
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I've heard of 85 and 86 octane fuel being available in certain places. I would only run 87 and wouldn't touch 85 or 86 octane. Ford designed the engine for 87.
 
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Old Jul 20, 2008 | 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by dkf
I would only run 87 and wouldn't touch 85 or 86 octane.
I with you. Just wanted to clarify that on this forum regular is 87 octane not 85 or 86.

Rob
 
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Old Jul 20, 2008 | 06:34 PM
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Its true Ford designed the spark tables for 87 octane typically at 200F coolant temp and 75F air temp..Save your money on just running a higher octane fuel UNLESS you have some sort of tuner that increase timing to take advantage of the higher octane fuel.
 
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Old Jul 20, 2008 | 07:43 PM
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I ran my 87 F150 out of fuel at my house once. All I had was some 110 octane race gas. I put in a gallon to get me to the gas station. By the time I got to the gas station a mile away I bet I was down to 4 cylinders running. It took over a week of hard driving to get those plugs to clean themselves off. Being lazy I put some 110 in my lawn mower. It lost a lot of power. This same gas in my 13-1 dragster set a national mph record that same summer. I had an 11-1 motor that was tuned for 100 octain Av gas. 92 octain made it heat up and detonated so bad it fluttered the rings so hard it smoked huge. Race gas slowed it down terrible. 100 Av Gas worked perfect. Never run more octain than you need.
 
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Old Jul 21, 2008 | 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by dkf
I've heard of 85 and 86 octane fuel being available in certain places. I would only run 87 and wouldn't touch 85 or 86 octane. Ford designed the engine for 87.
It's designed for 87 octane at SEA LEVEL. When you get up into higher altitudes,the thinner air makes for less cylinder fill,and a lower "effective" compression ratio due to that thinner air. Therefore, less octane is necessary for the same application.You will see this 85 and 86 octane fuel alot in 4000ft + elevations. It will not hurt anything to run the lower octane fuel in those situations. If you're traveling to a lower elevation with a tankful of the 85 or 8,then the knock sensor will do it's job if you experience any spark knock until you refill with a tankful or 87.
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Old Jul 21, 2008 | 09:29 AM
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Guys.. picked up the thread on the premium gas, have been running prem/ mid grade for a while...when i run 87 (regular) my valves rattle on the 2000 v 10 . should i keep running the 87? btw, truck has 170,000 miles on it last tune up at 100,000 used ford plugs (autolite) have a k&n filter also.. am getting about 11 mpg unloaded. two years ago i pulled my 5000 lb camper cross country from Ga to arizona and back, mpg dropped down to 10mpg. took it out this past week on a short camping trip only 75 miles one way, and now getting 8 mpg pulling the camper. friend at the dealer (service manager) said not to worry about the plugs that they were good for 100,000 miles...what else can i do to get the mpg up?(other that install pedals) also, how bad is ethanol? have gassed up a few times around town and noticed the sticker that states " may contain 10% ethanol"? thanks guys Britt
 
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Old Jul 26, 2008 | 10:26 AM
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Thank you

Wish I had asked before I put 3/4's of a tank in there. One time won't hurt, I hope. Thank you for the info. Regular from now on.
 
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