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Need some help!
So i came back from vacation last sunday and took the truck into the shop as it seemed like i couldn't shift into overdrive while towing in the flats or even after when i was unloaded. The mechanic looked it over and said it never even made it into 3rd gear(thats what the code read). Today he said that its going to need a tranny rebuild and said ford can replace it for $2600 and its warrentied for 3yrs or 100,000 miles which seems pretty reasonable. He also said that my turbo is toast. Im not 100% sure what he meant by this other than i am in need of a new turbo. he said he can get it replaced for $800 and around $400 for labor but thats a stock turbo. My question is what should i do about the turbo, go aftermarket or go stock and get ATS housing with it. Im trying to keep it somewhat cheap as the transmission is getting replaced to but i do not want to deal with this problem again. I hope this doesn't put me into a position where i have to sell this truck and get something different for college but if i keep having to replace and get it fixed it may happen. 
Any input would be appreciated, Thanks!
Any input would be appreciated, Thanks!
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Call Rons turbo service. 801-842-9186
I just bought a turbo from him.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/7...rbo-is-in.html
I just bought a turbo from him.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/7...rbo-is-in.html
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Just because I'm pessimistic by nature, can you tell if the engine is running poorly? What made the guy looking at the transmission decide you need a new turbo? Have you noticed a lack of power or anything? You might want to look at the trubo wheel just to see what kind of shape it's in and see if it's loose.
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The truck was running great, the turbo would whine extremely loud at times while towing so i passed it off as turbo surge and was planning on a WW. The reason it went in was for transmission failure, not getting into overdrive but then finding out it never made it to 3rd. Before we left for the trip it threw a code after playing around with a dmax, it was the check engine and they cleared it said if it runs bad and happens again take it in but it made it the whole trip without the light. my guess is that he checked the turbo just because it put out a code and then remebering that i brought it in earlier because of a code(When it happend i firgured the overboost hit the limit and the next purchase was an OBA). Ron, I'd like to go for a built tranny but i can't justify the cost with getting something shipped to my area. Maybe i'll go the all aftermarket route with Johnwood or BTS i would just like to check the warranty on it first.
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Is the high pitch wine you hear a constant whistle type scream? If so that would be normal and not surge. If you needed a new turbo, I don't think you'd be playing with D-maxs. You'd be more inclined to play with a Yugo or something. I'd get a second opinion on the turbo before you drop any money on it. Also the mechanic needs to understand what the DP is, what it does, and what codes it might throw that should be considered normal.
Sounds like you still need a tranny, but the turbo may be ok.
Sounds like you still need a tranny, but the turbo may be ok.
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Considering where you live and if you do need a new trans, I would seriously consider this
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I would get a second opinion. Won't hurt. When my torque converter rattled the first shop told me it was in need of a complete overhaul after road testing . The tranny was shot and not shifting right. $3000.
I took to Ford dealer for second opinion. They said. Yup TC rattling. Drive it. Shifts fine. don't worry about the TC rattling.
I Read this forum and asked questions and i was determined to change the TC myself.
But, I got a line a very good tranny place peeps go to from work as a 3rd opinion. They said shifts fine. Change tc before it explodes. $625. SO i had them do it. TC quiet as a mouse. I am pleased and running great. Pulling 5th wheel great.
My point is to get a second/third opinion. When you talking that much money you might be surprised.
I'm not a tranny guy at all I just know how they are supposed to feel. But a couple thoughts come to mind. Would the turbo be screwing up and causing it not to call for OD due to the lack of Boost/exhaust pressure, etc? I don't know, just guessing here, I am not even close to understanding how these motors work. I just read and hear about folks getting wrong diagnosis and having to spend lots of money for the wrong reason. And i am a Glass half full guy.
I took to Ford dealer for second opinion. They said. Yup TC rattling. Drive it. Shifts fine. don't worry about the TC rattling.
I Read this forum and asked questions and i was determined to change the TC myself.
But, I got a line a very good tranny place peeps go to from work as a 3rd opinion. They said shifts fine. Change tc before it explodes. $625. SO i had them do it. TC quiet as a mouse. I am pleased and running great. Pulling 5th wheel great.
My point is to get a second/third opinion. When you talking that much money you might be surprised.
I'm not a tranny guy at all I just know how they are supposed to feel. But a couple thoughts come to mind. Would the turbo be screwing up and causing it not to call for OD due to the lack of Boost/exhaust pressure, etc? I don't know, just guessing here, I am not even close to understanding how these motors work. I just read and hear about folks getting wrong diagnosis and having to spend lots of money for the wrong reason. And i am a Glass half full guy.
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Thanks for all the help i know i should be getting a second opinion. I know something is faulty with the transmission as i can not get above 55mph at 3k rpms, it did this loaded and unloaded.
The turbo pedestal is dead according to him, can someone explain what this does and why it would require a new turbo?
Chris, I was playin with the dmax when i threw the first code, the first time it ever did anything weird. The whine I was hearing all the way back is much different than the normal whistle. I was running 15+ boost because there was no OD and it then on a slight grade it would just get more high pitched and felt like it would lose power. They know the chip throws a code and said it was pretty common with the chip but my turbo throwing a code before we went and if they got the same code after the trip i think there is some other problem.
Edit-Its going to a ford dealer to get run through ford's diagnostics test as a second opinion.
The turbo pedestal is dead according to him, can someone explain what this does and why it would require a new turbo?
Chris, I was playin with the dmax when i threw the first code, the first time it ever did anything weird. The whine I was hearing all the way back is much different than the normal whistle. I was running 15+ boost because there was no OD and it then on a slight grade it would just get more high pitched and felt like it would lose power. They know the chip throws a code and said it was pretty common with the chip but my turbo throwing a code before we went and if they got the same code after the trip i think there is some other problem.
Edit-Its going to a ford dealer to get run through ford's diagnostics test as a second opinion.
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The turbo pedestal is just that. A pedestal or hunk of metal the turbo sits on. It's got 2 holes in it that oil passes through and 4 o-rings on it. It also contains the EBPV. A new pedestal should be $150 or less, so it sounds like someone isn't giving you the right info.
Be careful at the Ford dealer with your DP. Make sure you talk to the tech and not just the service adviser. I've heard stories of them reflashing the PCM since their computer told them to. This will screw up all Jody's work, so the tech working on the truck needs to know what's going on, or just remove the chip before taking it in.
Oh, and be ready to ignore and decline the $1,200 or so worth of recommended work they suggest just based on the age / mileage on the truck.
Be careful at the Ford dealer with your DP. Make sure you talk to the tech and not just the service adviser. I've heard stories of them reflashing the PCM since their computer told them to. This will screw up all Jody's work, so the tech working on the truck needs to know what's going on, or just remove the chip before taking it in.
Oh, and be ready to ignore and decline the $1,200 or so worth of recommended work they suggest just based on the age / mileage on the truck.
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Chris, thanks for the heads up. I would think at 53,000 miles they don't think i'd need to much but you never know what they'll say. I left my chip in there i never thought my mechanic was taking it to the ford dealer, i guess im going to shoot down there monday morning and grab it before anything bad happens. if i can im going to try and hang out to check out everything so i can learn a bit more of the problems and how they're fixing them.
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Be careful at the Ford dealer with your DP. Make sure you talk to the tech and not just the service adviser. I've heard stories of them reflashing the PCM since their computer told them to. This will screw up all Jody's work, so the tech working on the truck needs to know what's going on, or just remove the chip before taking it in.
Edit: Here's a link if anyone is interested. Post's 10 and 12 https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/6...ssues-now.html
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What is the DLC? hopefully my mechanic can pull the chip or do something as i got orientation and i wont be back until late tuesday, i really wish i pulled it before it went in now.
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The DLC is your data link connector. That's what they plug their machine into. If you're having other work done at the dealer you can drill a hole and put a padlock thru there so they don't have access to your PCM. If you're taking it in to have the codes scanned, they need this plug to be open so they can read the codes. The lock wouldn't help in your situation since it would prevent the dealer from diagnosing the problem.
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