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Old Jul 5, 2008 | 10:04 PM
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Help with no start issue please

Have a buddy with a 99 that won't start. when I turn the key on all the dash lighst come on but I don't even get a click. If I jump the celinoid at the starter it will fire right up. I replaced the cellinoid on the passenger side fender and still get nothing with the key. I also get nothing if I jump this cellinoid. I tried to wiggle the gear selector to see if the nuetral safety switch has a bad spot but no go. Any fuses I should check be looking at ? what do we check next?
 
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Old Jul 5, 2008 | 10:11 PM
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How are the batteries?

Also, does the glow plug lights come on?
 
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Old Jul 5, 2008 | 10:15 PM
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Batteries are good and yes glow relay comes on. If We jump the cellinoid at the starter it will turn over
 
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Old Jul 5, 2008 | 10:21 PM
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I read in one of the threads about a wire in the steering column coming loose or breaking. Pull the plastic housing off the column and look for chaffed wire(s).

Check to see if the fuse that feeds the ignition\throttle control is ok.
 
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Old Jul 5, 2008 | 10:32 PM
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At least it's not a major problem. Obvious: Key supposed to send 12V to the solenoid and solenoid closes and sends 12v to starter (or is it 24V with the diesels?). Get a volt/ohmeter and track it down.
 
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Old Jul 5, 2008 | 10:57 PM
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At least it's not a major problem. Obvious: Key supposed to send 12V to the solenoid and solenoid closes and sends 12v to starter (or is it 24V with the diesels?). Get a volt/ohmeter and track it down.
We have only 12V Gary. Our batteries are wired in parallel not series. In a DC series circuit the voltage is additive. In Parallel the voltage remains the same but the amperage (CCA) is greater.
 
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Old Jul 5, 2008 | 11:44 PM
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We have only 12V Gary. Our batteries are wired in parallel not series. In a DC series circuit the voltage is additive. In Parallel the voltage remains the same but the amperage (CCA) is greater.
Thanks Jim. I did hear that once but before (I got one) I always thought that the diesels ran 24v to start because of the high compression (17.5/1). I used to run an 8V battery on my '50 Olds with 11.5/1 compression cause it wouldn't turn over on the standard 6V. I guess the 2 batteries are there to give a huge shot of amps to the starter motor.
 
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Old Jul 6, 2008 | 08:03 AM
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Just for kicks, try starting in neutral, the change the tilt on steering column. There are also a couple of fuses under the hood (20 and 21) the are labled for ignition. There is also one under the dash you might check, 27. You need to check and see if you have power to the small wires on the soleniod when you turn the key to start, if so, you have a bad soleniod.
 
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Old Jul 6, 2008 | 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by GEugeneS
Thanks Jim. I did hear that once but before (I got one) I always thought that the diesels ran 24v to start because of the high compression (17.5/1). I used to run an 8V battery on my '50 Olds with 11.5/1 compression cause it wouldn't turn over on the standard 6V. I guess the 2 batteries are there to give a huge shot of amps to the starter motor.
There are some diesels that do run on 12V but start on 24V but these are few and far in between. The batteries are in series for the starter and you tap them in parallel for the 12V systems. Very confusing to work on!!
 
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Old Jul 6, 2008 | 10:28 AM
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Theres two solenoids at work here... One is on the passenger side fenderwell, and you got that one, but the starter motor has a second one that makes the starter engage. If you replaced the fenderwell one, and it still doesn't work, check the small wire on the starter. With the key held in "Start", there should be 12v at this wire AND the big, main wire for the starter. If there is, then the wiring is good and the starter is bad. Opposite if it's not.

You can also pull the starter (which is actually pretty easy) and take it to a shop to have it bench tested as well...
 
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Old Jul 6, 2008 | 11:56 AM
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Thanks for the help guys ,going to chech both cellinoids and fuses again today, let you know how it turns out
 
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Old Jul 6, 2008 | 08:30 PM
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Corrosion on the starter relay. Got it fixed today. Thanks again for all the feedback
 
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