Lincoln 317?
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Lincoln 317?
A couple underhood shots of our 56 f100. I think that this is a 317 but cannot confirm. The only markings I've been able to find is the firing order cast into the intake manifold. I know that we swapped in the Ram's horn manifolds a few years back.
Please forgive the dust, the truck has been hibernating in the barn for a couple years.
Please forgive the dust, the truck has been hibernating in the barn for a couple years.
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Sure, on the exaust manifold the y block mounting holes all line up in a row on the head, on the lincoln they do not. The valve covers are the same shape but a different size, the y block has a waterfall look to the cover and the lincoln has two re-enforcing rubs next to each hold down bolt. The oil fill is in the block on the Lincoln and in the valley pan on the y block. The only things that will interchange are the distributor and the oil pump between the y block and the Lincoln. The engine I refer to is used in the Mercury in 1957 Tunpike Cruiser as a 368, in the Lincoln as 317, 341 & 368 I believe. The Big Job Ford trucks used that engine family as 279,317,302 & 332 up through 1963. I have a 279 and a 332. Hope this helps.
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Also, the ports on the intake manifold are clearly side by side, not over and under, as on the Ford Y Block.
Not the water pump bypass. There is a hose from the side of the water pump and it goes into the side of a vertical thermostat housing. On a Ford Y Block, the bypass goes in a straight line horizontally from the top of the water pump straight back to a horizontal thermostat housing.
Put it another way -- on the Lincoln Y, the thermostat sticks UP from the manifold and has a curved hose to the water pump (as in your picture). On a Ford Y, the thermostat sticks out FORWARD of the manifold horizontally, like it does on an FE.
I am guessing your truck has a floor shifted truck 4 speed transmission?
Not the water pump bypass. There is a hose from the side of the water pump and it goes into the side of a vertical thermostat housing. On a Ford Y Block, the bypass goes in a straight line horizontally from the top of the water pump straight back to a horizontal thermostat housing.
Put it another way -- on the Lincoln Y, the thermostat sticks UP from the manifold and has a curved hose to the water pump (as in your picture). On a Ford Y, the thermostat sticks out FORWARD of the manifold horizontally, like it does on an FE.
I am guessing your truck has a floor shifted truck 4 speed transmission?
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Yes on the floor shift 4 speed, my next question was what type of transmission is this?
Without a doubt this is a lincoln engine but is there a way to tell the displacement without stripping the heads and measuring? I'm just trying to gain a background in this engine and the rest of the truck before deciding which direction I want to go about it.
Without a doubt this is a lincoln engine but is there a way to tell the displacement without stripping the heads and measuring? I'm just trying to gain a background in this engine and the rest of the truck before deciding which direction I want to go about it.
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The Lincoln valve covers would make me think that it is a car engine, even though the guy that installed it had the HD truck manifolds. Also the dipstick is in the car location, not the truck location. A car engine would have a front sump, I believe. Of course you can change sumps.
So if its a car engine it has to be a 317, 341 or 368.
So if its a car engine it has to be a 317, 341 or 368.
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The original swapper must also have used the truck water pump -- it has a truck fan bracket.
I don't know much about those Lincoln motors, especially in cars, but I don't see a center crossmember in your pics. So I'm assuming that there is a front truck-type motor mount, meaning that the original swapper may have used a truck timing cover to allow the front truck type motor mount to be used.
Still, the dashpot on the carb could indicate a car motor that was originally equipped with an auto transmission -- the carb and linkage don't look very truck-like. If that is the case, the original swapper must have had access to a flywheel, bellhousing, and all the other truck parts as well.
On which engine you have, Mummert has most of the codes listed here:
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Why don't you see if there is a casting # that matches one of these? If not, maybe you have one of the HD truck units. I do know that the old 332 HD truck engines were very very tough customers.
I don't know much about those Lincoln motors, especially in cars, but I don't see a center crossmember in your pics. So I'm assuming that there is a front truck-type motor mount, meaning that the original swapper may have used a truck timing cover to allow the front truck type motor mount to be used.
Still, the dashpot on the carb could indicate a car motor that was originally equipped with an auto transmission -- the carb and linkage don't look very truck-like. If that is the case, the original swapper must have had access to a flywheel, bellhousing, and all the other truck parts as well.
On which engine you have, Mummert has most of the codes listed here:
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Why don't you see if there is a casting # that matches one of these? If not, maybe you have one of the HD truck units. I do know that the old 332 HD truck engines were very very tough customers.
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The Lincoln valve covers would make me think that it is a car engine, even though the guy that installed it had the HD truck manifolds. Also the dipstick is in the car location, not the truck location. A car engine would have a front sump, I believe. Of course you can change sumps.
So if its a car engine it has to be a 317, 341 or 368.
So if its a car engine it has to be a 317, 341 or 368.
Last year at a car show, I saw a similar vehicle, but a '50's Dodge pick up. I spoke to the guy and he had just bought it. It had....get this a first generation Hemi...probably a 354 or so, with a little 2 bbl carb. The intake manifold looked stock and it was hooked up to a truck 4 speed. The guy said it was a transplant done a number of years before and that the old Hemi came out of a medium duty '50's Dodge grain truck, from a farm in Western Canada.
Possibly the same idea with this Ford pickup with it's 'Lincoln' engine.
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I have a feeling someone transplanted a Lincoln engine in there, or put Lincoln Valve covers on a smaller Y 8, that came with the truck, as others have said.
The possibilities, then, are these:
This is a Lincoln car motor that has had the truck bellhousing (cars didn't use the rear motor mounts like trucks did), transmission (cars didn't use the T98), water pump (cars didn't use the separately mounted fan), and possibly the timing cover (cars didn't use the front truck motor mount, I don't think, and I'm not sure whether the Lincoln cover for cars was different from the truck, as it is with regular Y Blocks), and exhaust manifolds (cars didn't use these).
The second possibility is that this is a truck motor that has had car valve covers and probably a car intake and carb swapped onto it.
The Lincoln valve covers will not fit a Ford Y block -- they are larger, even if they may look the same.
If ZFK can find a casting code on the block or heads and compare it with the list on Mummert's page, a good idea of what he has will be obtained.
BTW, I suspect that the distributor is also a car unit, which may or may not be another clue.
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hi, look on the side of the block for the casting #s. from the carb and intake i'd say it's probably a 317 54-56. if it's got ECU on the side of the block it's a HD332 56. i'd say the carb has been changed sence the trucks used governed holleys. i'd say it's not a 368 because they droped the carb way down for hood clearance.
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I have a 4barrel manifold with ECU-9425-A on it but the carb is set very low in the manifold. Could that be off of a 368 and do you know if the 279 and 317 heads will interchange? The ford repair manuel says no but all the gaskets are the same.
I have a 4barrel manifold with ECU-9425-A on it but the carb is set very low in the manifold. Could that be off of a 368 and do you know if the 279 and 317 heads will interchange? The ford repair manuel says no but all the gaskets are the same.
