A STOCK 460, yeah, but a modified one, well, why are we having the conversation?

 

Stock 428s were rated at 345 hp and the 428PI was rated at 360 hp. The 428CJs were rated at 335 hp at 5200 rpm but the auto 428CJ shifted in drive, at 6000 rpm. A CJ motor stock would achieve you 400 hp goal.

 

Engines available for T-Birds 1955/76.

1955 = 292 / 1956/57 = 292 OR 312 / 1958 = 352 / 1959/60 = 352 or 430.

1961/65 = 390 / 1966/67 = 390 OR 428.

No Thunderbird after 1967 had an FE engine, not a one.

1968/71 = 429 / 1972/74 = 429 or 460 / 1975/76 = 460.
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427: Cobra's / 1963/64 Galaxie / 1964 Fairlane Thunderbolt / 1965/68 Galaxie/LTD / 1967/68 Mustang / 1967/68 Fairlane/Torino / 1967/68 Shelby GT500.

It never fails..on sale day, 352's or 360's magically become 390's, 390's magically become 428's. They all magically become 427's.

 

Remember the 1969 Cougar with the 427 hydraulic cammed side oiler. Rated at 390 hp. I had one. That was a very good combination. If my old mind still remembers, it had a c8ax6250C hydraulic cam. That engine outlasted three cars.

 

I listed the Ford's, not the Mercury's.

It's tough enough remembering all the Ford stuff, without tossing Merc's into the mix.

btw: Are you sure that was a 1969 Cougar? There are no engine mounts listed in the Ford parts catalog for 427's after 1968.

I know there were no 1969 Mustangs with 427's, dunno about Cougars.

I have no Lincoln/Mercury parts catalogs (except 1953 Mercury Truck), there's not enough interest here to have them.

C8AX-6250-C = .515 lift, steel...used on hydraulic lifter engines

 

Yep,,, it was a 1969. Last year for the 427 in any car. They did not make many, but I got one. I also bought a 1970 Mustang 428scj. I still have that engine. I should have kept the 427. I have a 427, but it is not a side oiler. Back in 1969 L.J. Snow in San Bernardino Ca. had six 427 SOHC engines for sale (in crates) for $1,000 each. If I only knew then what I know now. Some offshore boat outfit bought all six before I could get down there to buy one.
Back in 1969 a thousand dollars was a lot of money.

 

F250racer,regarding what "a lot of people tell me about a 460 being a bad motor" take what a lot of people say with a grain of salt...a lot of the posters here have a lot of knowledge and experience with these engines(i dont,but thats why IM here,hoping to learn!) AS far as the debate between all your different engine choices go,a lot of it boils down to the best bang for your buck.......have some fun,and remember,those speeding tickets get pricey!..............Bob

 

I am an FE guy, but I know the 429/460 is a good engine. With the right parts they can put out some great horsepower. Either one would do well in his pickup.

 

L. J. Snow Ford was in Colton. I bought all their obsolete parts in 1979 (a ton of goodies), but there were no engines there then.

 

I'm sorry but 1968 was the last year for any production 427 engine in a car. It was the 1968 Mercury Cougar GT-E's that came with the 390hp hyd lifter 427. Cast iron crank and big bolt rods. There were 357 total 427 GT-E's and all were C6 automatics. The W code 68 427 Mustangs never made it into production. 68.5 came the 428CJ which finished production in the Cougar GT-E's and the 68.5 Mustangs. Of course the 428CJ came in both Mustangs and Cougars for 69-70 in R code (ram air) and Q code (non ram) engines.

 

Yep, Colton is a small town just west of San Bernardino. Most people have not heard of Colton. My wife was born in Colton, and I was born in Grand Terrace.
Do you remember that town?

 

I don't know what to tell you, but mine was a 1969. You can read all the books you want, but I am telling you that is what I had. Reminds me of the day I went to a Ford dealership to get a part for my 1970 428SCJ, and the counter guy said that Ford never made a 428SCJ only 429scj. I did not want to argue with the guy, so I called for the manager, and low and behold he heard about the 428scj. And yes, the cougar had an automatic transmission.

 

We are talking 1969 427 factory installed? Not a dealer install? It's a fairly well known FACT that a FACTORY 1969 427 Cougar just was never made period. So unless your name is "Dyno Don" or "Fast Eddie" or you personally had a hand in making the car on the line it just wasn't so. If it was please prove it. Believe me I'm not the only one doubting you. There is a line of guys behind me that know far more than me and they'd love to see it too. Like I said if this was a dealer install or someone's homemade hot rod that's different. That's a whole nother story. And were not talking something as simple as the difference between a 428SCJ and a 429SCJ. No my friend. This is a 1 of 0 car never made by F-L-M. So if you have some proof go to www.mercurycougar.net and post what you have. I assure you you'll be world famous if you can prove them all wrong. I'm not trying to be mean or anything but if you insist it's true some big names in the Cougar world would like to hear your story.

 

You seem to be a good guy and have some good knowledge of Ford engines, and I do not want to get into an argument with anyone on this site.
That being said, I want you to know that God is the only one that knows everything. Unless you are God, you could be wrong. I bought the car many years ago from a Ford dealership off Valley blvd. a couple miles west of Colton. It has been many years ago, and I can not remember the dealerships name. I did not ask if the engine was put in by the dealer or by who. It looked stock to me at the time. I was 24 years old and the car was one year old, used. I got into a wreck, that is why I bought the 1970 mustang.
If you want to be taken seriously by me and others, try not to come off as a know it all. You were not there. I was.
Just came to me,,, I think the dealer was Bill Ellis Ford... Now I could be wrong on that, but I think that was the name.
Again,,, if you want respect, you have to give respect.
To be a certified know it all, you have to be 13 years old, or 60 plus.
I am 60 plus, but still do not know it all.
I hold out the olive branch..

 

Maxtor, I don't think anyone doubts that you had a 427 car. What is being doubted is whether or not it came from the factory that way. There are a couple of possibilities. The first is that you had one of the '68 cougars that did come from the factory with a 427. I used to drive a 351C powered Mach 1 that was titled as a station wagon. If a dealer goofed up the paperwork for your car and got the year wrong, it would by no means be the first time. The second and probably the most likely is that your cougar, used, had been altered by a dealer or previous owner. In the late 60s and early 70s, dealers were a whole lot more open to whatever than they are now. If you had cash and you wanted a 427HR in an F250 or a galaxie station wagon, they'd do it. It would cost you plenty, but they weren't liability paranoid then. I suppose if you had enough money you could order any combination you could dream up. A dealer done swap would usually look just like stock. They would have had easy availability to all the correct parts to do the job. Many hot rod types knew what fit where as well. Impossible to know what happened to it before you got it. Third is an assembly line screwup. Not as likely, but certainly not impossible. I have worked on lines before, and if the option was to stop the line, or keep going with something I wasn't really supposed to use, they kept the line going. I wouldn't be at all surprized if there were 352 powerded '390' cars and trucks out there, or a 390 where a 428 was supposed to be. Stuff happens. It isn't worth getting upset about. We need to help Mr F250 pick his engine parts. DinosaurFan, on work's old 'puter