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Old Jun 12, 2008 | 02:07 PM
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Fuel Saver

JC Whitney has a fuel saver called a Fuel Boss Magnetic fuel saver, it keeps fuel from clustering by magneticlly disperses it, claims better MPG and lees polution, anyone ever used one with any success? They are only $23, if it really work it would pay for itself in a few tanks on these old great trucks 73-79. Please respond if you know anything about these devises.
 
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Old Jun 12, 2008 | 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by oem78
JC Whitney has a fuel saver called a Fuel Boss Magnetic fuel saver, it keeps fuel from clustering by magneticlly disperses it, claims better MPG and lees polution, anyone ever used one with any success? They are only $23, if it really work it would pay for itself in a few tanks on these old great trucks 73-79. Please respond if you know anything about these devises.
I have purchased this item but have yet to install it as it requires another electrical supply. I hope to have it installed by next week and will let you know but at the same time I have some other changes to make and they may alter its results. I just dont have the time to make one adj or alteration at a time and find out the results. I have managed to currently get mine up to 14.1 mpg hwy running a 390 with a Holley 650 DP, AT, 3:7 gears, 27" tires and still have a few more tricks in my tool box.
Another note on the protium is the combustion temp of hydrogen is to be at 1000+ deg. So the Q is what does this do to the cylinder temps, pistons, and exhaust temp especially under the hood?
 
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Old Jun 12, 2008 | 03:45 PM
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The extra heat produced by burning hydrogen is more of a problem for the O2 sensors than the engine. That is why they have the 'oxyisolator', which is really a cheap spark plug antifouler, to pull the sensor back away from the exhaust stream a small amount to read cooler temps than what there is. When the sensor picks up that extra combustion heat, it tells the computer to dump more fuel in, as in a lean condition, though it is actually not lean at all. I don't believe timing is adjusted at all for these systems. The efi systems simply attenuate the signal to either the MAP of the MAF meter while driving to further lean out the system. The hydroxy booster alone has it's good points like clean burn and more power, but leaning your mixture back will do more for economy. Actually, the best way to do this more accurately is probably to use an EGT sensor, screwed into a bung welded on your exhaust downpipe. I read somewhere how many degrees more heat you can have and still be well within the safe zone for detonation. For a carbed unit, I think one would also listen carefully for ping.
The attenuator device has a setting for city, highway, and 'power' mode (rich), which will aid in passing power or racing. I think it's a bargain to have it already made and packaged up so professionally. Did you also see their fuel line heater that uses your cooling system (heater hose) to preheat the fuel before it hits the carb/TB? They seem to have everything covered! haha
I am really anxious to hear your results too, especially with the big classic Fords...
 
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Old Jun 12, 2008 | 04:59 PM
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There is alot of hype in the other forums that call all this Hydrogen BS. Most of them are rambling on about the BS using alot of Scientific jargon that some do not understand and dishing out alot of crap to those who dont. I was not the most academicaly achieved student so no I dont get all the theory behind it. But there are other things that my mind comprehends better than others. It is discouraging to see some putting down others for there Q"s and thoughts when we are taught that the dumb Q is the one thats never asked and to think outside the box. I have met many in my life time who can tell you how to get to the moon in a garbage can but have to call the plumber for a leaky toilet. The first person to try NOS was probably out of his mind, and the auto trans what was he thinking in his spare time. I for one will dig into this more and make my own decision than ask and be called stupid. I put a 650 dp on my truck and was told not too, way wrong street carb, 14.1 mpg says alot.
Sorry to vent!
 
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Old Jun 12, 2008 | 09:00 PM
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I do like the Hydrogen idea and may do something with it, but befor I go thrue all the trouble and expense I would hook up a tach and a vacuum gauge and drive it at different speeds till I found the "sweet spot" then regear so that it is in my range of driving. Once that is done you have a realy good launching point for improvements because you know you are getting all you can from the start an can better tell what improvement you make. Don't take this wrong I am not trying to sound like a smart butt, it's just alot of times folks go for a lot of gadgets befor they take care of the basics.
 
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Old Jun 12, 2008 | 09:07 PM
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Oh yeah, I almost forgot... They will be selling that other deal, the Protium Injector? That is supposed to run an engine 100% on water, due out in November I think... Not sure how they get that much huydroxy, but it would be way cool to see. I hope they don't get shut down by some gov't agency! The system is around $15,000, from what I got from a gal there when I emailed. I guess the good part about that (besides free fuel) is the fact you can move it from one vehicle to then next, and it should never wear out!

As far as neigh-sayers, yeah, there are some real idiots in another thread about this stuff. They just can't shut up, or believe any of this will work. I have heard from too many independant individuals that say it DOES work to just give up on the idea. I mean, c'mon, satisfaction guaranteed? Sheesh, people!
 
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Old Jun 13, 2008 | 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike's 77
Dropping the tailgate is one that I've heard of before but haven't tried lately. I drove around for a few weeks last smmer without the tailgate on while I was prepping the bed for a bedliner and saw a slight increase in mileage. I'll have to drive around with it down for a while and see if it helps any
That may or may not work..it all depends on the aerodynamics of the vehicle.
Case in point was an episode of Discovery Channel's Mythbusters where they tested the myth of the tailgate and bed cover and tailgate net. On the Dodge Dakota they used for a test, the bed net actually got better mileage than even removing the tailgate or letting the tailgate down. Completely surprised them.
I'd say experiment and see what actually works for your truck with its specific engine.
 
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Old Jun 13, 2008 | 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by oem78
JC Whitney has a fuel saver called a Fuel Boss Magnetic fuel saver, it keeps fuel from clustering by magneticlly disperses it, claims better MPG and lees polution, anyone ever used one with any success? They are only $23, if it really work it would pay for itself in a few tanks on these old great trucks 73-79. Please respond if you know anything about these devises.
For what its worth...tested on Mythbusters and proved a total waste of cash.
 
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Old Jun 13, 2008 | 01:56 AM
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Thank you AT as i will not stress about trying to get it in anymore. Cost me 8 bucks.
In regards to the tailgate issue I recently noticed a newer FORD truck with small oil spatters on the back of the truck and reminded me when my axle seal was leaking it did the same indicating that the air under the truck is somehow popping up and back into the trucks tailgate.
 
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Old Jun 13, 2008 | 02:18 AM
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Originally Posted by tankrsc
I do like the Hydrogen idea and may do something with it, but befor I go thrue all the trouble and expense I would hook up a tach and a vacuum gauge and drive it at different speeds till I found the "sweet spot" then regear so that it is in my range of driving. Once that is done you have a realy good launching point for improvements because you know you are getting all you can from the start an can better tell what improvement you make. Don't take this wrong I am not trying to sound like a smart butt, it's just alot of times folks go for a lot of gadgets befor they take care of the basics.
Agreed! Mine is damn near at that point except for a timing curve that has got me scratching my head. There are a few things I will experiment on using using old school tech and will update yas all.
The one thing that we are not all considering is the amount of knowledge and experience that is in these forums is tremendous and the advantage that we old tech truck owners have is that if we try to input other tech on them we are not having to deal with the electronics and its repracutions.
 
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Old Jun 13, 2008 | 12:23 PM
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From what I've seen, fuel injection kits are the fastest way to MPG boost (I've seen reports of ~20MPG on our year trucks). Mass-Flo Fuel Injection Systems has them for most V8 engines used in the 70's pickups, and they come with an ignition system as well. After that, probably new exhaust and then tuning.
 
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Old Jun 13, 2008 | 05:00 PM
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Dude, that's a sweet looking truck! Which drop beams are you using? DJM Dream Beams?
I think lowering the trucks will also help with aerodynamics...
 
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Old Jun 16, 2008 | 03:16 PM
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I believe mine are from an outfit known as A.I.M. They seem to hold up well but are a little crude in there construction. I would have gone with the Dream beams.
As far as lowering for aerodynamics air becomes thinner at higher altittudes therefore a lifted truck should do better. LOL
 
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Old Jun 16, 2008 | 04:24 PM
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I believe mine are from an outfit known as A.I.M. They seem to hold up well but are a little crude in there construction. I would have gone with the Dream beams.
As far as lowering for aerodynamics air becomes thinner at higher altittudes therefore a lifted truck should do better. LOL

Haha! That's a good one.
I think I looked at both drop beams at one time; Wasn't the A.I.M. beam made with varying diameter pieces of pipe welded together?
 
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Old Jun 17, 2008 | 02:53 AM
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I believe those are the dream beams. Mine look like I beams but are flat steel welded together to make the I but one axle is wider than the other meaning the top and bottom of the I's are diff. I discovered this when trying to put an after market sway bar on and the U bolts (that clamp over the axle to hold the mounting on) only fit over one axle. As i said crude.
 
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