Hi all, first post. I have a 1968 Ford 600, Vin F60CRD01354 with an F 100 cab. I only have the Vin # from the frame, no plate for the truck on the driver's side door. I'm trying to figure out what the original engine & transmission models are. I know it has a clark 5 speed, with 2-speed rare-end. I know the engine was changed to I think a 352, but I don't think the transmission was changed. Would this make sense?

 

HI, welcome to the site!

I ran your number through the site's VIN decoder but it couldn't come up with anything. I don't think it's configured to work with an F600. Perhaps Bill (NumberDummy) our resident guru of all things Ford-numeric can come up with something when he sees this...

 

engine could have been changed

the trans code was on ID plate you don't have
think orinonal engine was 330MD
1968 Ford VIN

 

Since I don't have the transmission code, is there only a few combinations between a 330MD and Clark 5 speeds that were used on the 68' F600?

 

I believe the transmission will be a 285V

is transmission overdrive or direct

 

Welcome to FTE

F60 = F600 2WD

C = 330 2V Medium Duty

R = San Jose CA Assembly Plant

D01354 = 1968

Transmission: There were 4 different Clark 5 speeds available. Models: 264 VO / 280 VC / 282 V / 285 V

The ID tag (if still there) is bolted to the rectangular inspection cover that attaches to the side of the case with 6 bolts.
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Rear Axle: Eaton Model 15201 2 Speed (1968 and later).

Ratios available with this rear end:

5.14-1/7.15-1

5.83-1/8.11-1

6.33-1/8.88-1

The actual ratio is stamped on the top of the carrier-drivers side.

 

How did you get the axle code??

 

I'm psychic!

Actually...I have this > >

1964/72 Ford Truck Parts Catalog

Rear Axle Application Chart / Section 40.2 / Page 2.

There's only one Eaton 2 speed rear axle listed for this application.

Catalog sez: Eaton Model 15201 (1968 and later) / Parts List # 164.

Soooo...I went to parts list # 164, and there are three different ratios listed.

Then I went to the pictures of the axle (Section 40 / Page 3) to find out where the info is shown on the rear end.

I was a Ford partsman for 35 years, so doing all a this is EZ.

This parts catalog is available on a CD from hipoparts.com for around 22 bucks. Also sold on ebay.

btw: I have every Ford truck parts catalog from 1948 thru 2002. / Every car parts catalog from 1949 thru 1991.

 

if you have every parts catalog for a 1968 F-600 you should also find a 17000 lb rear axle
the 15201 single speed and 2 speed which were 15000 lb axles were basically standard equipment with an option of a 17000lb single and 2 speed

this is fact

 

Thank you for the information I'm guessing I have a 264VO, the synchronizers configuration match that better than any of the 280's. There is no overdrive in the transmission.

The interesting thing about my set up is the clark is on a 352 motor and yes it shakes pretty bad but we are hoping to fix that by grinding off the weight on the flywheel which by way is a 13" while we have things appart. I'm guessing the reason this crazy set up was put together by the previous owner was it's what they had on hand at the time. It was an old grain truck before we got it 25 years ago.

 

[quote=HayCowFarmer;6135514]Thank you for the information I'm guessing I have a 264VO, the synchronizers configuration match that better than any of the 280's. There is no overdrive in the transmission.

The interesting thing about my set up is the clark is on a 352 motor quote]

the 352 is an easy swap for the 330 since they are the same block design
I was thinking the 264VO was overdrive,bee a while some I don't remember and don't have books handy

 

This is fact:

The 17000 lb axle was, as you say an option, the model number is: 13802

The parts list for the 13802 axle is # 164, the same parts list for the 15201.

The axle housing is the same: C8TZ-4010-U

The same three ring and pinon part numbers are shown for both: C8TZ-4209-J / K / L.

The axleshafts are the same for the 1350 Eaton, used before 1968 / the 15201 and the 13802: C4TZ-4234-D

The: carrier is the same, the axle/spider gears are the same, the pinon and axle bearings are the same.

Since this is a F600 with the smallest FT engine available, I went with the 15201 axle.

If the OP comes up with the ID numbers off the housing (stamped on the axle tube), then we'll know which one it is for sure..

btw: There is another 17M Eaton 2 speed, but it's only listed for C Series Tilt Cabs and the N Series.

There's only one parts catalog that covers the 1968 F600 = the 1964/72 Ford truck parts catalog.

1973 and later, there are two catalogs, one for F100/500's and others (Ford calls these the LIGHT truck parts catalogs) another for F600 and larger trucks (the HEAVY truck parts catalogs).

Later on, after Ford sold off their largest trucks to Sterling, the catalogs are LIGHT truck, and the MEDIUM truck for everything else.

Bronco's: In the car parts catalogs 1966/79, in the Light truck parts catalogs 1980/96.

 

the 15k and 17k rear axles are completely different,the only thing interchangable is the two speed shift motor
you may have sold the parts but I worked on the over half my life

 

How do you know it's a 352 engine?

Did you notice 352 cast into the block, drivers side front?

All the FE 352/360/390 blocks are cast as 352's, only when they are finished can they be something else...so, you could have a 360 or 390 engine.

Measure the stroke: 352/360 = 3.50" / 390 = 3.78"

Look at the flywheel, they all are stamped with flywheel ID numbers on them.

Post what you find. **

352/360's use an 11" clutch on a 12 3/8" diameter bolt circle.

390's use an 11 1/2" clutch on a 12 7/8" diameter bolt circle.

330 M/D's use a 12" clutch on a 12 7/8" bolt circle or a 13" clutch on a 14 1/8" diameter bolt circle.

** I will be away from the 10th to the 20th of May, so FTE member Air Harley is the only other person (that I know of here) that has the same parts catalog, is qualfied to use it, and can ID the flywheel.

 

I read many of your posts, so I know you know are sharp.

The fact of the matter is, Ford lists two Eaton 2 speed axles for 1968/72 F600's, 15M and 17M (models 13802 and 15201), a third & fourth for C Series Tilt Cabs and the N Series only, model numbers: 16802-3 / 16220-1. Different parts list for these two: #101.

Then take this into consideration: Domestic Special Order.

Peeps could order all sorts of configurations, which were not listed in the parts catalogs for specific models. When this occured, the DSO code is 6 digits.

6 digit DSO: Since parts were installed that were not listed for specific models, the dealer contacted Ford, read off the 6 digit DSO.

Ford would tell the dealer what was special and the parts info...the same system is used today.

We'll continue this later, I have errands to run, we're leaving tomorrow for TN, for the F100 Supernats May 15-17.

We're flying in, not driving...that would be a bit too much for two old pharts, driving a 43 year old rolling pile of miseries from Los Angeles to Knoxville!