The 1964 F500 that is the subject of a few threads has a phantom engine. That is to say, no one knows which model it is. The widow woman I bought the truck from did not know. The casting numbers apparently will not shed any light on this question. I know it is likly not the original as the valve covers are emblazoned with the word "Mercury." The intake manifold appears to be resting partly on the block and partly on the heads, if I am seeing this right.

Anyway, a neighbor came up with a interesting method of mmeaduring displacement. If this is a well known technique then please ignore me.

1. Remove spark plug from one cylinder. Remove wires from others.
2. Crank engine to bottom of stroke.
3. From a graduated beaker, through a tube, pour enough Marvel Mystery Oil or Everclear into the cylinder until it flows out the spark plug hole.
4. Note quantity consumed. It helps to use a beaker in CCs.
5. crank engine until TDC and fluid is expelled. The Everclear will just evaporate . The Marvel will burn off in a short time.
6. Multiply the CCs of fluid consumed by eight.
7. Convert from CCs to CI.
8. Consult Motors Manual for a list of engines with that displacement.

Now, clearly if this comes in at 351 there is more work to determining if Clevland or Windsor. 352 CI is not far away from 351.

This ought to narrow it down some. The remaining liquid in the cylinder should burn olff with normal use.

Does this sound realistic?

 

That's a lot of MMO to leave inside the cylinder - I'd suck it out before starting it.

And, keep in mind, lots of engines out there that weren't exactly very close to their advertised displacement

 

I cant tell but it seems like he's talking FT/FE with the intake overlap. Intake go under the valve cover ? Oh and uhhh be sure and stick a glass of punch under the spark plug hole if you go with EC

 

That will not be accurate given the angle of the block deck. Liquid will come out of the plug hole before the cyl area is completely full. There has to be casting numbers and date codes on the block. Measure the stroke with a wood dowel in the spark plug hole. That will give you a better idea.

 

If it's an FE, and it has Mercury valve covers, AND it's a complete motor that hasn't been piece-mealed all over the place, it's a 410

 

Have you posted the casting numbers here? If not, get every # you can find and post it. NumbersDummy will be along shortly after to to tell you more than you ever want to know about what's what.

 

I remember the Numbersdummy offered to look up the casting numbers, which I really appreicate. Then, others wrote that the casting numbers really will not be definitive because Ford used the same block for severl V-8s. I will post them and see what that brings up, if N.D. is still willing to look them up.

 

Are you kidding ? Bill lives for this But really your correct the numbers wont be a certain .. but thell get some ??'s out of the way for sure. If you have a need to be absolutely certain.. surgery is probably the best bet. If you just wanna know so you get the right external parts or ? then not a whole lot to worry about.

 

OK, it sounds like the intake runs UNDER the valve cover? If so, it's an FE.

Is it 2bbl, or 4bbl?

Does it have 8 bolts holding the exhaust manifolds on, or 12 or 14?

What oil pan does it have? Front sump, or rear sump?

Got any carb or distributor numbers?

Any tag on the intake?

 

Wasn't the FT used in the 500 and larger trucks before 65? Someone could have thought it would be cool to have Mercury valve covers. Who knows?????

It could be most anything FE/FT.


John

 

hey flame out ! You can tell a 351 windsor from a cleveland by the fuel pump. The Cleveland has a fuel pump that has one bolt on top and one on the bottom , the windsor bolts side to side. In other words one is horizontal and the other is vertical.