Engine Swap Inexperience
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I don't know how many miles are on the engine, sadly. But, I did hear it running, just not for very long. I think it had a fuel delivery problem. (I'm going to rebuild the carb as well)
And you're right, I'm not too experienced, hence the title of this thread.
I'll do the timing set and pull the oil pan and inspect things.
Thanks for all the help. I'd be completely lost without this forum.
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And you're right, I'm not too experienced, hence the title of this thread.
I'll do the timing set and pull the oil pan and inspect things.
Thanks for all the help. I'd be completely lost without this forum.
-D
Tuned
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Slippery slope isn't it? 
If you're not careful you could end up with a rebuilt motor. With the oilpan and timing set off you could fairly easily replace the main and rod bearings. You might even manage to replace the piston rings, pulling them out from the bottom. Lol. Lot of whatifs. Hope you're having fun with this, that's the important thing 
If you're not careful you could end up with a rebuilt motor. With the oilpan and timing set off you could fairly easily replace the main and rod bearings. You might even manage to replace the piston rings, pulling them out from the bottom. Lol. Lot of whatifs. Hope you're having fun with this, that's the important thing
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You bet I'm having fun with it. This engine is destined for a very odd truck, which already has a running 351M in it. I'm only replacing it for added power while hauling. I won't drive it until late August. So I can take my time with the engine and learn as much as I can. My friends who are even less experienced are helping as well. I am making them twist as many bolts as I can, but I keep an eye on them to make sure they don't strip anything with a rookie-maneuver. So far so good! I think I'm going to leave the piston rings for another time. Thanks all the same.
Here's a picture of the truck: Still a Reliable Ford
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Here's a picture of the truck: Still a Reliable Ford
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Tuned
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Little note though if you do replace the bearings you'll probably need to go through engine breakin procedures when you fire it up. When I started my 302 after a full rebuild it got HOT. All sorts of steam coming off the manifolds, and ofcourse I had to change the oil afterward. Could be the new rings are more responsible for that but just a heads up.
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Well the point is that you get into something and it's a slippery slope.
Before you know it you would have been better off buying a longblock.
There'll be enough to buy with just belts, hoses, plugs, wires cap & rotor ect....
Basic re-freshening.
The list is endless.
Do you do the valve cover gaskets?
Do you NEED emissions crap like an EGR or AIR pump?
If you bought a used motor because it was the inexpensive out, then do as little as possible and drive it 'till it's dead.
Before you know it you would have been better off buying a longblock.
There'll be enough to buy with just belts, hoses, plugs, wires cap & rotor ect....
Basic re-freshening.
The list is endless.
Do you do the valve cover gaskets?
Do you NEED emissions crap like an EGR or AIR pump?
If you bought a used motor because it was the inexpensive out, then do as little as possible and drive it 'till it's dead.
pedant
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From: EXTREME southwest CT
I know it well. Not from Burning Man, but from other activity's.
Hope you have fun, and don't forget the sunscreen and imaginative ways to apply it!
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I finally got to the timing chain yesterday after work. The chain had a good inch and a half of wiggle play. I'm glad I took the time to go into the engine a bit. I found that waxy plug in the coolant and the timing chain clearly needed replacing. It reminded me of the time my Grand Marquis' 302 timing chain skipped a tooth while driving. It was much harder getting to the timing chain while it was still in the vehicle!
I just priced all of the components that I'm going to replace. The timing set was $30 and the water pump $35. All of the other gaskets were $20, so that's not too bad!
My next big obstacle will be the carburetor as I'm certain that has some problems. It's almost as if the back two butterfly valves are stuck closed. I can't actuate them at all. I'll probably have to start another thread in the carb section for help on that. Ha!
This will be this truck's third year to BRD. Everything should be much smoother this year with the 460. Going over three 8,000ft passes while fully loaded was more than the 351M I've got now could handle.
I just priced all of the components that I'm going to replace. The timing set was $30 and the water pump $35. All of the other gaskets were $20, so that's not too bad!
My next big obstacle will be the carburetor as I'm certain that has some problems. It's almost as if the back two butterfly valves are stuck closed. I can't actuate them at all. I'll probably have to start another thread in the carb section for help on that. Ha!
This will be this truck's third year to BRD. Everything should be much smoother this year with the 460. Going over three 8,000ft passes while fully loaded was more than the 351M I've got now could handle.
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pedant
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Look for *4180 carburetor rebuild* and *stuck secondarys*. These terms might help.
There's endless threads already on rebuilding these carbs.
We have a couple of rocket launches every year out there. Can't afford to make the drive anymore, but I know all about trying to run a carburetor at higher altitudes, and these ones have little adjustment.