MY 1964 F500 came from the factory with the 292 V8. Some time previous to my stewardship, the engine was replaced with a larger F head. The guess of most gear heads is that it is a 360. However, the flywheel cover has 6, count 'em, 6 bolt holes rather than the usual 4. The cover is missing and I want to replace it. All of the replacements I have found on F series of all sizes have been four bolt hole covers. So, which engine would have used a six bolt cover on the flywheel?

I will probably fabricate me own cover out of galvanized sheet metal since a OEM replacement is hard to locate. I was just curious about the history.

 

You have a manual or automatic transmission? I just did a quick search of all the pictures in the transmission sections in the parts manual and didn't see a 6 bolt cover. Also you are refering to the one that bolts to the bellhousing correct.

 

and as soon as I posted that I found it.... section 75 page 1

If it is for a 223, 262, or 292 it'll be C0TT-7564-A. 64-67 P100's with a 144, 170, and 223 I-6 use the C0TT-7564-A as well.

The 240, 300, 330 and 361/391 that would be a C4TZ-7564-A if the cover is 18 1/2" long. With PTO tranny uses a C4TZ-7564-B.

If you post the casting numbers on the engine we will be able to identify the engine for you as well rather then guessing.
Hopefully that helps guide you in the right direction.

 

Airharley, that would be a real help. There are casting numbers all over the block. Is there a certain number of digits I am looking for; e.g. a seven digit number? One of the number sets on the front of the block is stamped "352" as if that is confusing enough, I understand that does not mean the block is the 352 cu in engine.

I will measure the span of the bolt holes and compare that to what you added above. I cannot believe there are still parts sources for ordering a replacement cover by OEM number. Am I wrong about that??

 

There are a few places that carry items by OEM #'s like Green Sales and other places like Napa Auto Parts can check their books to see what it crosses over to.

You're right about the 352 cast on to the block. Places you'll want to look are above the starter on the side of the block or even on the transmission itself, long shot, for a tag. You'll be looking for anything with a _ _ _ _ - _ _ _ code. For instance it will begin with a C6AE or some other arangement of characters. It might only have 5 digits or it can have a string of them. It all depends on what the part is. But if you can provide any codes from the engine that would help.

 

WITH or without the casting number, you'll still be guessing.

You cannot ID any FE engine (or 99% of all Ford engines) by the block casting numbers = NONE.

The exact same casting numbers for the cylinder block were used for: 352's, 360's and 390's.

Why do you think that 352 was cast into the blocks when new?

Because, when cast, ALL the engine blocks are 352's.

Only when the block is cleaned up and finished, can it be something other than a 352.

Casting numbers in most cases, cannot be translated to actual Ford part numbers (on anything).

Verbatum from Ford parts catalogs:

"The casting number which includes # 6015 cannot be cross referenced to a service part number."

"It will be used as a means of identification only when the casting number is unique to one 6010 (bare block) assembly."

Since the FE engine blocks, when cast, are not unique, you cannot use the casting number to ID them.

 

This is all very true Bill. I will go beat myself silly with my thumb drive now.

But pulling #'s from other parts attached to the block will help narrow it down. I know the 361 heads and 360 are different animals due to the heat cross over passage as an example.

Then again someone could very well have pulled parts from all different FE engines to make his. So lets just go back to basics. Drop the oil pan to read the crank casting # and measure the bore. MUWHA HA HA HA

 

Ford confusion - 1964/72 FT engines only.

The 330 MEDIUM DUTY engine, uses some FE parts. The block and heads are UNIQUE to this engine only! :-)

The 330 MEDIUM DUTY uses no 330 HEAVY DUTY & 361/391 parts.

The 330 HEAVY DUTY bare block when finished, can also be a 361 or 391. But it can't be a 330 M/D.

 

oh for the love of.... Why do engineers find such pleasure in making things so complicated! I like the KISS mentality and is should be taught in engineering classes. You know, Keep It Simple Stupid?

 

Here, IMO was the absolute dumbest thing Ford ever did.

In the 1980's, they changed the package quantity of 1000's of small parts.

They also changed the part numbers SUFFIX!

That was well past the date when 1964/72 & 1965/72 truck/cars part catalogs had reached their final printing (1975).

That *&^%$##^ suffix change is still haunting ppl today, because when they go to a dealer, or to swap meets, old car parts sellers, or to online websites with the ORIGINAL part number, dang near nothing can be found.

Most dealer personnel (and damn near everyone else) today have no klew the suffixes were changed, and don't bother looking in the OSI catalogs (obsolete-supercede-interchange) to see WTF is going on.

Here's just one sad example - the NSS actuator lever used from 1965 thru 1977 on F100/350's.

This POS part snaps off from its place on the shift tube (fits thru a slot in the mast jacket), now the truck can be started in any gear.

The parts catalog shows D0TZ-7B097-A...type that puppy into a online link, or stop by your local dealer with that part number = You'll get one or the other of these answers: Obsolete or No Parts Found.

Type D0TZ-7B097-B or stop by a dealer with THIS number, here's the response: Ford suggested retail price: $18.72.

 

All Ford engines made after Jan 64 had an engine tag attached to it originally...Heres where you should be able to find it if its still attached...
330,361,391- Under the heat indicator bulb
401,477,534- Under the carb. attach stud

And just for the heck of it for future reference...

6 cylinders are under the coil attaching bolt
352- under the dipstick attaching bolt. On mine with the extra gauges, it was wrapped up and used as a wire retainer for those wires...



- cs65

 

BTW...the tags have the CID stamped on them among other things...and my trusty book, though it mentions codes for 292's doesnt show where they were attached...

Bill...as to the age old 352 cast on the LF of the block...I FINALLY get it why that numbers there on all the FE's...same casting for the base block but the blocks became their own CID when they got punched...would you agree with that ???




- cs65

 

ABSOLUTELY!

All FE 352/360/390 bare blocks when cast begin life as 352's.

When finished, the engine can be any one of these three.

That also holds true for the passenger car FE's: '66/67 Mercury 410's and '66/70 428's.

I've been typing that same info on FTE for 17 months.

 

LOL...I hadnt seen the other posts about it, but have enjoyed the talk at wrecking yards that engine buyers ask about if they saw it...

So, if that is the case, which it is...352's got one heckuva thick cylinder wall then...


- cs65

 

Quote:

Under the heat indicator bulb

-65camper

Is that some kind of fancy option located inside the cab? Heat? I have two settings. Open the hood and turn the gate valve in the hot water line leading to the cab heater on or turn it off. Kind of dumb looking but it works.

Whichever engine is in there it works just fine and I like it. It was rebuilt and the job was done well enough. It would be nice to know and not be guessing. But that is not the main thing in this truck's working life.